Flagship status -- relevant? NYU, CLS, Penn? Forum

[TLSNYC]

I was wondering how NYU Law's top ranking is important to the university as a whole. For example, Columbia and Penn are amazing institutions all around, widely regarded as among the best in the world. For them, running a good law school is just something you do. On the other hand, NYU is fairly mediocre, at best, outside of its law school, business school, and a few other top programs, i.e. philosophy. Does the fact that its law school rock make the university any more likely to put extra resources behind it, i.e. take funds collected outside the law school and funnel them there? Would this differ at all from Columbia or Penn which may not be as inclined towards their respective law schools?

[applepiecrust]

I've wondered about this. I've also wondered (and this might just be my prestige-whore ways), if the overall prestige of the university affects the law school's employment prospects at all (probably not, but I am annoyed with non-law people who don't understand Michigan and UVA > Cornell and Georgetown, for instance, lol).

[vamedic03]

I've wondered about this. I've also wondered (and this might just be my prestige-whore ways), if the overall prestige of the university affects the law school's employment prospects at all (probably not, but I am annoyed with non-law people who don't understand Michigan and UVA > Cornell and Georgetown, for instance, lol).

Um, no. Legal employers are not dumb and they don't care about the law school's associated undergrad's prestige.

[Renzo]

I've wondered about this. I've also wondered (and this might just be my prestige-whore ways), if the overall prestige of the university affects the law school's employment prospects at all (probably not, but I am annoyed with non-law people who don't understand Michigan and UVA > Cornell and Georgetown, for instance, lol).

Um, no. Legal employers are not dumb and they don't care about the law school's associated undergrad's prestige.

True. But to the OP's question, I feel like NYU really does go out of their way to cater to the Law and B-schools. There might be something to the idea of a "flagship" status

[ohyouknow]

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[sophie316]

I think there is something to both the law school as flagship within the school and with the school being aware that it can't rest on the university's name. I always get the sense NYU law tries really hard, but then again I am biased.

[Renzo]

This doesn't answer OP's question, but my parents (harvard business grads) think that applying to NYU ED would be the dumbest move ever. They assume that NYU Law will look mediocre to employers. No matter how much I try to convince them otherwise, they retain their initial bias against it...I would hope that legal employers know better, though.

Legal employers do know better. But you parents' bias isn't that unusual--it's one of the reasons I picked NYU over CLS. I wanted to associate myself with the school that wasn't associated with Ivy League snobbery.

[megaTTTron]

I was wondering how NYU Law's top ranking is important to the university as a whole. For example, Columbia and Penn are amazing institutions all around, widely regarded as among the best in the world. For them, running a good law school is just something you do. On the other hand, NYU is fairly mediocre, at best, outside of its law school, business school, and a few other top programs, i.e. philosophy. Does the fact that its law school rock make the university any more likely to put extra resources behind it, i.e. take funds collected outside the law school and funnel them there? Would this differ at all from Columbia or Penn which may not be as inclined towards their respective law schools?

Blatant anti-Chicago trolling.

[TLSNYC]

I was wondering how NYU Law's top ranking is important to the university as a whole. For example, Columbia and Penn are amazing institutions all around, widely regarded as among the best in the world. For them, running a good law school is just something you do. On the other hand, NYU is fairly mediocre, at best, outside of its law school, business school, and a few other top programs, i.e. philosophy. Does the fact that its law school rock make the university any more likely to put extra resources behind it, i.e. take funds collected outside the law school and funnel them there? Would this differ at all from Columbia or Penn which may not be as inclined towards their respective law schools?

Blatant anti-Chicago trolling.

Fair enough -- I guess Chicago should be mentioned alongside Penn & Columbia as a world-renowned institution, but I am more interested in the first three because of my desire to practice in NYC.

[megaTTTron]

I was wondering how NYU Law's top ranking is important to the university as a whole. For example, Columbia and Penn are amazing institutions all around, widely regarded as among the best in the world. For them, running a good law school is just something you do. On the other hand, NYU is fairly mediocre, at best, outside of its law school, business school, and a few other top programs, i.e. philosophy. Does the fact that its law school rock make the university any more likely to put extra resources behind it, i.e. take funds collected outside the law school and funnel them there? Would this differ at all from Columbia or Penn which may not be as inclined towards their respective law schools?

Blatant anti-Chicago trolling.

Fair enough -- I guess Chicago should be mentioned alongside Penn & Columbia as a world-renowned institution, but I am more interested in the first three because of my desire to practice in NYC.

Haha. I'm just kidding.

[BrownBears09]

I was wondering how NYU Law's top ranking is important to the university as a whole. For example, Columbia and Penn are amazing institutions all around, widely regarded as among the best in the world. For them, running a good law school is just something you do. On the other hand, NYU is fairly mediocre, at best, outside of its law school, business school, and a few other top programs, i.e. philosophy. Does the fact that its law school rock make the university any more likely to put extra resources behind it, i.e. take funds collected outside the law school and funnel them there? Would this differ at all from Columbia or Penn which may not be as inclined towards their respective law schools?

Blatant anti-Chicago trolling.

Fair enough -- I guess Chicago should be mentioned alongside Penn & Columbia as a world-renowned institution, but I am more interested in the first three because of my desire to practice in NYC.

A double Ivy looks pretty good on a resume.

[clintonius]

NYU does indeed pour a lot of resources into the law school, and I agree that there's something to the idea that the flagship status is behind that. It also doesn't hurt that the current president of the university used to be the law school dean.

[TLSNYC]

NYU does indeed pour a lot of resources into the law school, and I agree that there's something to the idea that the flagship status is behind that. It also doesn't hurt that the current president of the university used to be the law school dean.

Oh, wow...i didn't know about the last part! Thanks so much for all the helpful posts..I'm starting like to NYU more and more by the day!

[NorCalBruin]

I think the prestige of the undergrad helps the prestige of the law school, but not the other way around. I would be surprised if places like NYU were trying to use their law school as a flagship to boost the prestige of the university as whole.

It's hard to really do anything more than speculate, because most great law schools are at great undergrads, and vice versa, but you have people on here joke that if Princeton were to open up a law school it would be ranked in the top 5. But of course, not because it would be a good law school, but because it's f*ing princeton.

[T6Hopeful]

I think the prestige of the undergrad helps the prestige of the law school, but not the other way around. I would be surprised if places like NYU were trying to use their law school as a flagship to boost the prestige of the university as whole.

It's hard to really do anything more than speculate, because most great law schools are at great undergrads, and vice versa, but you have people on here joke that if Princeton were to open up a law school it would be ranked in the top 5. But of course, not because it would be a good law school, but because it's f*ing princeton.

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[Veyron]

I've wondered about this. I've also wondered (and this might just be my prestige-whore ways), if the overall prestige of the university affects the law school's employment prospects at all (probably not, but I am annoyed with non-law people who don't understand Michigan and UVA > Cornell and Georgetown, for instance, lol).

It does if you ever want to work outside of law or in a legal field where you work with with non-lawers frequently frequently/attempt to them as clients. I'd still say that NYU has an advantage in NY since everyone there knows its quality and the alums of NYU law are a worthy bunch, but in other parts of the country, the "brand" name definately counts. I know I've already realized some benefits from it. Also having access to the better alumni network is a big leg up. Schools like Penn and Columbia tend to have a more far-flung alumni network and you can be pretty confident that, in any city with a club, those are going to be good people to associate with career-wise.

[apollo13]

I've wondered about this. I've also wondered (and this might just be my prestige-whore ways), if the overall prestige of the university affects the law school's employment prospects at all (probably not, but I am annoyed with non-law people who don't understand Michigan and UVA > Cornell and Georgetown, for instance, lol).

I totally agree with the second segment. I visited BU law school when I visited my friends place at BU. My friends were asking my why I was visiting the school because its not that even good. I kept on telling him that it places in Top25, and he would tell me it probably sucks... man, non-law people should just drink some koo-laid and know how to shut the fuck up.

[JG Hall]

NYU diverts money to NYU Law because of its standing relative to the rest of of university. Columbia sees the Law School (and the B School) as money makers for the university as a whole, so money is directed away from the law school to the general university endowment. (But I think tuition/fees only cover 63% of the cost of attendance, so make of that what you will.) So yeah, NYU puts more effort into making their law school good because that's what they've got going for them. CLS needs a separate endowment. Effing shit.

[HamDel]

A) I don't think it's something to worry about, NYU is a good law school.

B) I think you're shortchanging the school in general. I've noticed that NYU and Berkeley always get screwed in those rankings even though they kick the crap out of a lot of other schools that are ranked higher by US News in things that actually matter like research output and job prospects. US News takes into account crap like square feet per student and alumni donation percentages, which are biased against urban schools and state schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University ... y#Rankings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyu#Rankings