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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:50 am
by anonis
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Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:55 am
by sundevil77
Turn lemons into lemonade. Do what you can with what you have. It's not much, so the best you can do is frame it in the best light possible. I wouldn't make it the focal point of your application. Other than that you could go all George O'Leary on us and make stuff up. But somehow I don't think that's going to fly with AdComms.

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:08 am
by im_blue
Uh, I already see 3 softs you can put down:
1) academic scholarship
2) church worship service
3) employment

Focus on your PS and you're good to go.

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:23 am
by Cupidity
Sell what you've got.

For example, I got a little $400 endowed scholarship in Pre-Law...not a big deal. On my resume:

"Joe T. Schmoe Pre-Law Merit Scholarship Recipient: Awarded to the top student in the department"

Nothing in that sentence is untrue, and damn does it sound better than $400.00

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:40 am
by PhantaManta
Well, academic achievements go in different boxes than other stuff. So put those down.

As for the other stuff - it doesn't matter. At all. Unless you fuck something else up, and even then I doubt it. If you have stats that will help a schools USNWR rankings, they will admit you. I literally left the entire extracurricular box empty on almost all my apps and have gotten admitted with scholarships identical to people with great softs. Sucks for them.

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:00 am
by im_blue
PhantaManta wrote:Well, academic achievements go in different boxes than other stuff. So put those down.

As for the other stuff - it doesn't matter. At all. Unless you fuck something else up, and even then I doubt it. If you have stats that will help a schools USNWR rankings, they will admit you. I literally left the entire extracurricular box empty on almost all my apps and have gotten admitted with scholarships identical to people with great softs. Sucks for them.
Wow, given your experience wth ECs, I wonder if and why law schools consider your PS and LORs at all.

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:05 am
by Lomax
PhantaManta wrote:If you have stats that will help a schools USNWR rankings, they will admit you. I literally left the entire extracurricular box empty on almost all my apps and have gotten admitted with scholarships identical to people with great softs. Sucks for them.
I shall use you as evidence. :twisted:

Did you get accepted anywhere fancy? That would help the cause.

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:48 pm
by PhantaManta
You can check my LSN @ http://lawschoolnumbers.com/phantamanta/

I applied to schools in a range between 30 and 87. So I am not sure you can apply my results as you go up the rankings, although I think you probably can to a certain extent. If I had to take an educated guess I believe this is probably typical for a majority of schools outside the top 14, and even some schools in the T14.

Here is other info about me to put in perspective:
I am a white male from non-prestigious undergrad in NYC (it is a CUNY). Worked as a cashier for limited amounts of time. No ECs. My PS was not about anything exhilarating and I don't imagine it could have helped that much. I only have one LOR so far (because I am stupid), although it is probably a pretty good one.

So, put that all together, and you see that it's all about the numbers ;).

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:17 pm
by anonis
PhantaManta wrote:You can check my LSN @ http://lawschoolnumbers.com/phantamanta/

I applied to schools in a range between 30 and 87. So I am not sure you can apply my results as you go up the rankings, although I think you probably can to a certain extent. If I had to take an educated guess I believe this is probably typical for a majority of schools outside the top 14, and even some schools in the T14.

Here is other info about me to put in perspective:
I am a white male from non-prestigious undergrad in NYC (it is a CUNY). Worked as a cashier for limited amounts of time. No ECs. My PS was not about anything exhilarating and I don't imagine it could have helped that much. I only have one LOR so far (because I am stupid), although it is probably a pretty good one.

So, put that all together, and you see that it's all about the numbers ;).
thanks for the input! im feeling a little better, was worried it was the end of the world for me

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:38 pm
by Lomax
PhantaManta wrote:You can check my LSN @ http://lawschoolnumbers.com/phantamanta/

I applied to schools in a range between 30 and 87. So I am not sure you can apply my results as you go up the rankings, although I think you probably can to a certain extent. If I had to take an educated guess I believe this is probably typical for a majority of schools outside the top 14, and even some schools in the T14.

Here is other info about me to put in perspective:
I am a white male from non-prestigious undergrad in NYC (it is a CUNY). Worked as a cashier for limited amounts of time. No ECs. My PS was not about anything exhilarating and I don't imagine it could have helped that much. I only have one LOR so far (because I am stupid), although it is probably a pretty good one.

So, put that all together, and you see that it's all about the numbers ;).
Many thanks. Your case seems to prove the point quite well indeed. A lot of people would bend over backwards for Tulane with 60K, and think all their trouble entirely necessary.

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:43 pm
by aad
anonis wrote:Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out what to do with my apps as I don't really have any softs.

I've been on Dean's List for two semester, and also an academic scholarship my soph to senior year. Never joined any clubs, and am applying to law school out of UG with no internship or work experience. Only thing I can possibly think of is I help out on the church worship service pretty often.

I worked from home managing websites and other stuff to make money so never had the need for a job.

What's the best way to approach this?

Looking at a 3.35/166
Managing websites from home for money may not seem like a big deal at first but if you think about it, that's entrepreneurship right there. Starting a business and developing a clientelle is something worth while if you spin it the right way.

Re: Essentially no softs

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:40 pm
by emkay625
I totally agree with the person above me - you essentially started a business! With the right language, that can sound like one heck of a soft.

"Founded a small Web start-up company that manages Web site content and technical tools for a wide range of clients."

See how impressive that sounds? And it's 100 percent true.