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Since you seem to know the right and wrong answers, could you answer the OP? I'm also interested in PI pay scales.awesomepossum wrote:FYI, that's actually wrong.
I just happen to know that if you head a PI organization, you won't be making million. For example if you were running a UN body you'd be making a few hundred thousand, in government as well you'd never be making that much.Yimbeezy wrote:Since you seem to know the right and wrong answers, could you answer the OP? I'm also interested in PI pay scales.awesomepossum wrote:FYI, that's actually wrong.
Alright. And as an aside to OP - I think most PI stuff starts between 30k and 50k(for a select few in high COL areas), with the majority towards the lower end of that scale.awesomepossum wrote:I just happen to know that if you head a PI organization, you won't be making million. For example if you were running a UN body you'd be making a few hundred thousand, in government as well you'd never be making that much.Yimbeezy wrote:Since you seem to know the right and wrong answers, could you answer the OP? I'm also interested in PI pay scales.awesomepossum wrote:FYI, that's actually wrong.
There is no (non-scam) public interest entity that could justify paying it's head 'a few million' a year.
http://www.collegeboard.com/csearch/maj ... 06734.htmlCompensation
The National Association for Law Placement studied the 2008 salaries of lawyers who work for public-interest organizations and found the following median salaries:
* Entry-level: $41,000
* Five years of experience: $53,815
* Eleven to fifteen years of experience: $69,195
I don't think there's a good answer, because there's no set market rate like there is in Biglaw. Public interest includes everything from your local legal aid group to national NGOs (some of which are more like lobbying firms, and may not fulfill everyone's definition of public interest). Obviously, the majority of PI jobs are more like the former, and won't pay very well. The numbers you most often hear for starting salaries are 35k-50k. Pay advancement will likely vary depending on the individual organization, but conventional wisdom states that you don't go up by much.nematoad wrote:and also start out at... I really have no clue. My guess is around 60k with the possibility of moving into the low 6 figure range if your good and have been working at it for a while.
While not "a few million" a year, top 6-figure and low 7-figure salaries are not at all uncommon for non-profit/public interest heads.awesomepossum wrote:I just happen to know that if you head a PI organization, you won't be making million. For example if you were running a UN body you'd be making a few hundred thousand, in government as well you'd never be making that much.Yimbeezy wrote:Since you seem to know the right and wrong answers, could you answer the OP? I'm also interested in PI pay scales.awesomepossum wrote:FYI, that's actually wrong.
There is no (non-scam) public interest entity that could justify paying it's head 'a few million' a year.
Raikes, who joined the Gates Foundation a year ago, earned $315,403 from September through December 2008, making his annualized salary $990,000, according to the Chronicle.
A Gates Foundation spokesperson confirmed the compensation figures and said the philanthropy's co-chairs, Bill and Melinda Gates, set the CEO salary "after considering industry standards and what they believe is fair for leading a philanthropic organization of this size and scale."
Other foundation executives earning top salaries include Joan E. Spero, former president of the Doris Duke Charitable Foundation with compensation of $768,525.
In several cases the chief investment officer earned more than the CEO, such as the $1.6 million compensation of Laurance R. Hoagland Jr. at the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation; $1.4 million paid to John Moehling at the David and Lucile Packard Foundation, or the $1.2 million paid to Susan Manske at the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Chronicle reported.
At the Gates Foundation, Tadataka Yamada, president of the global health program, earned $848,390.
The Ford Foundation, which is one-third the size of the Gates Foundation in assets, paid its president, Luis A. Ubinas, $718,084, and vice president, Linda Strumpf, $1,113,590.
Among heads of other non-profits, the highest paid executives include:
James Mongan, chief executive of Partners HealthCare System in Boston, with compensation of $2.7 million in 2008, a 99 percent increase over his 2007 pay.
Glenn Lowry, director of the Museum of Modern Art, in New York, with compensation of $2.1 million in 2008, more than twice his 2007 pay, plus a housing allowance worth $336,000.
Anonymous Loser wrote:While not "a few million" a year, top 6-figure and low 7-figure salaries are not at all uncommon for non-profit/public interest heads.awesomepossum wrote:I just happen to know that if you head a PI organization, you won't be making million. For example if you were running a UN body you'd be making a few hundred thousand, in government as well you'd never be making that much.Yimbeezy wrote:Since you seem to know the right and wrong answers, could you answer the OP? I'm also interested in PI pay scales.awesomepossum wrote:FYI, that's actually wrong.
There is no (non-scam) public interest entity that could justify paying it's head 'a few million' a year.
Raikes, who joined the Gates Foundation a year ago, earned $315,403 from September through December 2008, making his annualized salary $990,000, according to the Chronicle.
A Gates Foundation spokesperson confirmed the compensation figures and said the philanthropy's co-chairs, Bill and Melinda Gates, set the CEO salary "after considering industry standards and what they believe is fair for leading a philanthropic organization of this size and scale."
Other foundation executives earning top salaries include Joan E. Spero, former president of the Doris Duke Charitable Foundation with compensation of $768,525.
In several cases the chief investment officer earned more than the CEO, such as the $1.6 million compensation of Laurance R. Hoagland Jr. at the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation; $1.4 million paid to John Moehling at the David and Lucile Packard Foundation, or the $1.2 million paid to Susan Manske at the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Chronicle reported.
At the Gates Foundation, Tadataka Yamada, president of the global health program, earned $848,390.
The Ford Foundation, which is one-third the size of the Gates Foundation in assets, paid its president, Luis A. Ubinas, $718,084, and vice president, Linda Strumpf, $1,113,590.
Among heads of other non-profits, the highest paid executives include:
James Mongan, chief executive of Partners HealthCare System in Boston, with compensation of $2.7 million in 2008, a 99 percent increase over his 2007 pay.
Glenn Lowry, director of the Museum of Modern Art, in New York, with compensation of $2.1 million in 2008, more than twice his 2007 pay, plus a housing allowance worth $336,000.
Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/t ... _pays.html
I was basing this on a few semi-scandals about 7 figure heads of 501(c)(3) orgs. OP asked what they would "top out" at, and one could move from in-house counsel to CEO of an org.
There is no (non-scam) public interest entity that could justify paying it's head 'a few million' a year.
Again, it depends on the PI group. Superstar PI groups like the ACLU usually require T10 (or even T5 or HYS) with good/great grades. Lots of smaller PI groups don't care about grades, as long as you can prove that you have a commitment to PI and aren't just looking for any job because you failed miserably at OCI. Some of the more radical PI groups may even look at prior private firm experience as a black mark.nematoad wrote:wow thanks for all the info guys! i knew it would be low but i definitely wasnt expecting the 30k range. would you suspect that class ranking plays as crucial of a factor in job placement in PI as with biglaw? (say top 15/30%) or is it the school you go to that matters most?
I don't think this is true.. especially since BU places people each summer and upon graduation into the ACLU. I never understood the need to be in a T5 school for the ACLU.Esc wrote:Again, it depends on the PI group. Superstar PI groups like the ACLU usually require T10 (or even T5 or HYS) with good/great grades. Lots of smaller PI groups don't care about grades, as long as you can prove that you have a commitment to PI and aren't just looking for any job because you failed miserably at OCI. Some of the more radical PI groups may even look at prior private firm experience as a black mark.nematoad wrote:wow thanks for all the info guys! i knew it would be low but i definitely wasnt expecting the 30k range. would you suspect that class ranking plays as crucial of a factor in job placement in PI as with biglaw? (say top 15/30%) or is it the school you go to that matters most?
I've always heard that the national ACLU (I should have specified I was not referring to the state affiliations, which hire locally) usually requires T5-T10 with good grades. I could be wrong, but that's the conventional wisdom, anyway.Blindmelon wrote:I don't think this is true.. especially since BU places people each summer and upon graduation into the ACLU. I never understood the need to be in a T5 school for the ACLU.Esc wrote:Again, it depends on the PI group. Superstar PI groups like the ACLU usually require T10 (or even T5 or HYS) with good/great grades. Lots of smaller PI groups don't care about grades, as long as you can prove that you have a commitment to PI and aren't just looking for any job because you failed miserably at OCI. Some of the more radical PI groups may even look at prior private firm experience as a black mark.nematoad wrote:wow thanks for all the info guys! i knew it would be low but i definitely wasnt expecting the 30k range. would you suspect that class ranking plays as crucial of a factor in job placement in PI as with biglaw? (say top 15/30%) or is it the school you go to that matters most?
I thought if you go on the ACLU website you can see the background of their lawyers. I just went and couldn't find it but I do recall mostly top schools (not necessarily HYS but top 10) and some with biglaw background. ACLU is very selective!Esc wrote:I've always heard that the national ACLU (I should have specified I was not referring to the state affiliations, which hire locally) usually requires T5-T10 with good grades. I could be wrong, but that's the conventional wisdom, anyway.Blindmelon wrote:I don't think this is true.. especially since BU places people each summer and upon graduation into the ACLU. I never understood the need to be in a T5 school for the ACLU.Esc wrote:Again, it depends on the PI group. Superstar PI groups like the ACLU usually require T10 (or even T5 or HYS) with good/great grades. Lots of smaller PI groups don't care about grades, as long as you can prove that you have a commitment to PI and aren't just looking for any job because you failed miserably at OCI. Some of the more radical PI groups may even look at prior private firm experience as a black mark.nematoad wrote:wow thanks for all the info guys! i knew it would be low but i definitely wasnt expecting the 30k range. would you suspect that class ranking plays as crucial of a factor in job placement in PI as with biglaw? (say top 15/30%) or is it the school you go to that matters most?
Bullshit. There are almost no big firms that make $1mm in per-partner profits, and you expect us to believe that a donor-funded organization is out-paying the richest law firms on the planet?the lantern wrote:The director of the ACLU is an attorney and he makes well over a million a year. I think he actually made over two or three million a year but they lost a lot of money and a few critical donors so he had to take a pretty sizeable pay cut.
Not only that, but there's only one Executive Director of the ACLU. It's not like everyone who works there eventually gets paid that much.Anonymous Loser wrote:Anthony Romero (Executive Director of the ACLU) only makes $345,000.
Source: http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/about/fy ... lu_990.pdf (page 19)