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Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:22 pm
by Lawworld19
Asking for a friend.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:01 am
by rustyburger2
Any info re Kaplan and Barbri would be helpful too

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:18 am
by estefanchanning
no of course not. If you hit 75%+ you auto-pass.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:31 am
by Itwasascam
estefanchanning wrote:no of course not. If you hit 75%+ you auto-pass.

Is this true in states where the mbe is 40% of thr score?

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:34 am
by dabigchina
estefanchanning wrote:no of course not. If you hit 75%+ you auto-pass.
I think he meant completion, not MBE %.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:56 pm
by Neilt001
This probably isn't terribly helpful, but 75% completion on Themis is a great way to prepare yourself to pass, but definitely no guarantee. I'm sure there's a few people who fail with 75% completion but not many.

As for 90% or more completion, you're very likely to pass. Can you aim for that? If so, then I think you'll be fine. I got 100% completion and sailed through the Feb 2018 NYBX.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:54 pm
by Findedeux
I'm at about 45% so I don't know how people are reaching that high.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:40 pm
by dabigchina
Themis pass rate with 75% completion was 79% in CA, so there are a lot of people who fail with 75% completion. To be fair, CA has a really hard exam.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:06 pm
by Allux
I have same the question. I’m at 72% completion now, and scoring 65-75 on MBe mixed subjects with no improvement for 2weeks, is that a fail? Scoring also the same percentage on adaptibar with 900 Qs

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:17 pm
by 4LTsPointingNorth
Allux wrote:I have same the question. I’m at 72% completion now, and scoring 65-75 on MBe mixed subjects with no improvement for 2weeks, is that a fail? Scoring also the same percentage on adaptibar with 900 Qs
With those numbers you're in really good shape to pass even if you perform worse on MEE than on MBE.

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Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:31 pm
by dabigchina
Allux wrote:I have same the question. I’m at 72% completion now, and scoring 65-75 on MBe mixed subjects with no improvement for 2weeks, is that a fail? Scoring also the same percentage on adaptibar with 900 Qs
1. Those are really good scores.
2. How the hell did you get so far ahead?

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:03 pm
by Allux
dabigchina wrote:
Allux wrote:I have same the question. I’m at 72% completion now, and scoring 65-75 on MBe mixed subjects with no improvement for 2weeks, is that a fail? Scoring also the same percentage on adaptibar with 900 Qs
1. Those are really good scores.
2. How the hell did you get so far ahead?

I started about one month earlier than the set schedule!

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:10 am
by abogado2018
https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates

At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:24 pm
by dabigchina
abogado2018 wrote:https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates

At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course.
Which is weird, because none of those states had 98%. Ca was 79. Pretty misleading imo.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:42 pm
by sproutz
dabigchina wrote:
abogado2018 wrote:https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates

At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course.
Which is weird, because none of those states had 98%. Ca was 79. Pretty misleading imo.
Yeah, but Berkeley's first-time pass rate alone is 90% for the CA bar, so it makes sense that 98% of Berkeley students who also finished 75%+ of the Themis course passed.

*Disclosure: I was a Themis rep at Berkeley.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:23 pm
by SilvermanBarPrep
If you are hitting 75% over such a large number of questions, it's still possible you won't pass (variables such as feeling sick the day of the exam, extreme anxiety, etc. can contribute) but the odds are very much in your favor. It's highly likely you'll pass the MBE with those numbers.

Sean (Silverman Bar Exam Tutoring)

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:24 pm
by Neilt001
Allux wrote:I have same the question. I’m at 72% completion now, and scoring 65-75 on MBe mixed subjects with no improvement for 2weeks, is that a fail? Scoring also the same percentage on adaptibar with 900 Qs
yeah you're totally fine mate. Those are great scores and you're probably on track to get 100% completion. You'll be fine.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:31 pm
by abogado2018
SilvermanBarPrep wrote:If you are hitting 75% over such a large number of questions, it's still possible you won't pass (variables such as feeling sick the day of the exam, extreme anxiety, etc. can contribute) but the odds are very much in your favor. It's highly likely you'll pass the MBE with those numbers.

Sean (Silverman Bar Exam Tutoring)
I think OP was referring to completing 75% of the Themis course, not scoring an accuracy rate of 75% on MBE PQs.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:37 pm
by dabigchina
sproutz wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
abogado2018 wrote:https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates

At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course.
Which is weird, because none of those states had 98%. Ca was 79. Pretty misleading imo.
Yeah, but Berkeley's first-time pass rate alone is 90% for the CA bar, so it makes sense that 98% of Berkeley students who also finished 75%+ of the Themis course passed.

*Disclosure: I was a Themis rep at Berkeley.
makes more sense if you are saying 98% of Cal Grads who finish 75% pass. 98% of ALL grads passing would be nothing short of a miracle.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:12 pm
by Findedeux
dabigchina wrote:
sproutz wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
abogado2018 wrote:https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates

At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course.
Which is weird, because none of those states had 98%. Ca was 79. Pretty misleading imo.
Yeah, but Berkeley's first-time pass rate alone is 90% for the CA bar, so it makes sense that 98% of Berkeley students who also finished 75%+ of the Themis course passed.

*Disclosure: I was a Themis rep at Berkeley.
makes more sense if you are saying 98% of Cal Grads who finish 75% pass. 98% of ALL grads passing would be nothing short of a miracle.
It seems like if you're smart enough to get into a top ten law school you would sort of have to try and fail the bar.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:17 pm
by abogado2018
Findedeux wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
sproutz wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
abogado2018 wrote:https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates

At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course.
Which is weird, because none of those states had 98%. Ca was 79. Pretty misleading imo.
Yeah, but Berkeley's first-time pass rate alone is 90% for the CA bar, so it makes sense that 98% of Berkeley students who also finished 75%+ of the Themis course passed.

*Disclosure: I was a Themis rep at Berkeley.
makes more sense if you are saying 98% of Cal Grads who finish 75% pass. 98% of ALL grads passing would be nothing short of a miracle.
It seems like if you're smart enough to get into a top ten law school you would sort of have to try and fail the bar.
I think that's true for certain states (e.g. NY where last year Berkeley had a 100% pass rate) but in CA, there's a 10-15% chance of failure per year.

Re: Anyone on here hit 75% + with Themis and still fail?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:35 pm
by PodPeople
abogado2018 wrote:
Findedeux wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
sproutz wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
abogado2018 wrote:https://www.themisbar.com/pass-rates

At Berkeley law, FWIW, Themis advertised a 98% pass rate if you completed 75%+ of the course.
Which is weird, because none of those states had 98%. Ca was 79. Pretty misleading imo.
Yeah, but Berkeley's first-time pass rate alone is 90% for the CA bar, so it makes sense that 98% of Berkeley students who also finished 75%+ of the Themis course passed.

*Disclosure: I was a Themis rep at Berkeley.
makes more sense if you are saying 98% of Cal Grads who finish 75% pass. 98% of ALL grads passing would be nothing short of a miracle.
It seems like if you're smart enough to get into a top ten law school you would sort of have to try and fail the bar.
I think that's true for certain states (e.g. NY where last year Berkeley had a 100% pass rate) but in CA, there's a 10-15% chance of failure per year.
Yeah, the CA bar exam having markedly lower pass rates than any other state means this is more of a wildcard. Even people who do well in school and get into a T14 can fail the CA bar. Hell, even the former Dean of Stanford Law School failed the CA bar exam.