F17fighterpilot wrote:So I should wait for CA to hop on the UBE train. Not sure how long my score will be portable to new states adopting it. (3 years?) Also not sure if I will have scored high enough. One thing that keeps me sane is reading people who were equally stressed out and got like 280+ on their score. I'm curious as to know how the 25 pretest questions will affect our ability to over-achieve on the MBE. Scores over 145 seem unattainable now. What is that a raw score of? 130? The margin of error has gone down.. but as you said.. the margin of success has increased slightly.
also.. ive tried to figure out how the MEE is graded but im so confused. Is it a 1-5 scale. 1-6 scale. Is a 3 slightly below failing? is a 4 a pass? how do they assign points to the answers and then round up or down to a 3-4? and then add those up and then scale it again. Its confusing. The way barbri scores your practice essays is no where near similar. It just shows you passing above and below based on how many trigger sentences you wrote. And then it's 30% weight of 400 points. so basically 120 points for the MEE and 80 points for the MPT. Making each essay worth 20 points (depending on difficulty). So they then make it a 1-5 or 1-6 scale making a 3 fail, and a 4 a pass?
I answered all the questions so I know I didnt score a 1 on any. I wrote down applicable law to all of them so I didnt get a 2 really on any. But does two essays that are 3's spell doom for the entire exam?
My guesstimation:
If you average 3's on the essays you get 72 points. Plus 52 points for the MPT (if you got a 65% correct score). So that makes it 122 unscaled points. Not enough..
So if we got two: 4's and four 3's: we'd 80 MEE points plus 52= 132 unscaled points.. making a 134 MBE (scaled) required to pass the bar in NY. So does the question boil down to.. did at least 2 of your essays score a 4+, while none of your essays scored below a 3.. in order to pass.
How could we overcome a 2 on one or more of the essays? you have to do better than a 75% on the MPT while getting median MBE scores.
So for those of you thinking you bombed the MEE because of Trusts and (insert subject here)... you can get 2's on two... (which is unlikely.. because we are smart and wrote IRAC and knew enough) do well on the MPT's and average on the MBE to pass. It's hard to think that nearly 50% of takers did worse than a 3 on the MEE for over half their essays.
Is this logic right joe? adding up the 3's and 4's.. / 30 and X by 120 points to get the raw MEE score?
For CA, I expect them to be the last state to switch to the UBE (and Florida will probably be 2nd to last), so it may be a while.
According to NCBE, some states grade the MEE/MPT on a 1-5 scale, some grade on a 1-6 scale, and some grade on a 1-10 scale. In NY, the MEE is graded on a 20-80 scale. According to the July 2016 NYBOLE score report: “The scaled score for each of the six MEE questions and two MPT questions are arrived at by converting the raw score for each question to a scale that generally ranges from approximately 20 to 80, with 50 as the mean.” Did you sit for the exam in NY? If so, I wont have an F17 calculator done until the scores are released.
Here is Washington’s breakdown of MEE Grading Standards (1-6 scale):
A 6 answer is a very good answer. A 6 answer usually indicates that the applicant has a thorough understanding of the facts, a recognition of the issues presented and the applicable principles of law, and the ability to reason to a conclusion in a well-written paper.
A 5 answer is an above average answer. A 5 answer usually indicates that the applicant has a fairly complete understanding of the facts, recognizes most of the issues and the applicable principles of law, and has the ability to reason fairly well to a conclusion in a relatively well-written paper.
A 4 answer demonstrates an average answer. A 4 answer usually indicates that the applicant understands the facts fairly well, recognizes most of the issues and the applicable principles of law, and has the ability to reason to a conclusion in a satisfactorily written paper.
A 3 answer demonstrates a somewhat below average answer. A 3 answer usually indicates that it is, on balance, inadequate. It shows that the applicant has only a limited understanding of the facts and issues and the applicable principles of law, and a limited ability to reason to a conclusion in a below average written paper.
A 2 answer demonstrates a below average answer. A 2 answer usually indicates that it is, on balance, significantly flawed. It shows that the applicant has only a rudimentary understanding of the facts and/or law, very limited ability to reason to a conclusion, and poor writing ability.
A 1 answer is among the worst answers. A 1 answer usually indicates a failure to understand the facts and the law. A 1 answer shows virtually no ability to identify issues, reason, or write in a cogent manner.
A 0 answer indicates that there is no response to the question or that it is completely unresponsive to the question.
MPT Grading Standards
A 6 answer is a very good answer. A 6 answer usually indicates that the applicant has a thorough comprehension of the practical and academic aspects of the task, understands and synthesizes the relevant factual and legal materials, and uses them to write a legally supported, well-written, responsive product in the time allotted.
A 5 answer is an above average answer. A 5 answer usually indicates that the applicant has a fairly complete understanding of the practical and academic aspects of the task, understands and synthesizes most of the relevant factual and legal materials, and uses them to write a legally supported, reasonably well-written, mostly responsive product in the time allotted.
A 4 answer demonstrates an average answer. A 4 answer usually indicates that the applicant has a fair understanding of the practical and academic aspects of the task and understands enough of the relevant factual and legal materials to incorporate them into a relatively satisfactory, albeit less than completely responsive, product in the time allotted.
A 3 answer demonstrates a somewhat below average answer. A 3 answer usually indicates that it is, on balance, inadequate. It shows that the applicant has a limited understanding of the practical and academic aspects of the task, does not understand or synthesize some of the key factual and legal materials, and thus is unable to incorporate them into a satisfactorily responsive product in the time allotted.
A 2 answer demonstrates a below average answer. A 2 answer usually indicates that it is, on balance, significantly flawed. It shows that the applicant has only a rudimentary understanding of the practical and academic aspects of the task, has failed to grasp and synthesize most of the relevant factual and legal materials, and thus has not produced a useful written product in the time allotted.
A 1 answer is among the worst answers. A 1 answer usually indicates a failure to understand the task or how to accomplish it, and an inability to understand and synthesize the factual and legal materials and incorporate them into a minimally acceptable written product.
A 0 answer indicates that there is no response to the question or that it is completely unresponsive to the question.
