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Did anyone else take the MD Bar? What did you think? I thought it was pretty hard

It wasn't so bad. The MPT was annoying as fuck but not difficult to figure out (just obnoxious to write it all out).

The first round essays were definitely the hard hitting ones. Afternoon felt like an even mix of shit I knew and things I had to bullshit on. Seems everyone felt this way to some extent. We'll be fine.

I dont know, Im with you. I thought the first part was pretty rough and I have never made up so much law in my life. I know I missed a few easy points, so cheers to hoping everyone messed up as bad or at least the same. Everyone I was chatting with seemed to feel the same way, but I guess it depends on who you know. I thought it was pretty rough.

Agreed. I thought it was hard as well. The Corporations question was far too narrow of an analysis to be a full out long essay. Did anyone feel like they gave us much more info in the extracts than we needed?

Pass302 wrote:Agreed. I thought it was hard as well. The Corporations question was far too narrow of an analysis to be a full out long essay. Did anyone feel like they gave us much more info in the extracts than we needed?

my mind is blanking. which one was corporations?

Corporations was Essay No 1.

And yes, they definitely gave way more info than needed in the extracts. You really had to know which sections were relevant to the question otherwise it was a distraction.

I no doubt bombed a couple essays but I'm hoping I did well enough on the others to make up the difference.

I was also expecting the essays to be more Maryland specific. Did I miss something?

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emdub wrote:

threecharacters wrote:Corporations was Essay No 1.

And yes, they definitely gave way more info than needed in the extracts. You really had to know which sections were relevant to the question otherwise it was a distraction.

I no doubt bombed a couple essays but I'm hoping I did well enough on the others to make up the difference.

I was also expecting the essays to be more Maryland specific. Did I miss something?

What was in essay 1? I don't remember the order. I thought that was the Millary and Ronald one?

Millary and Ronald was civ pro I thought. All about what motions to file.

The first essay I think was about a corporation that lapsed and was revived after it filed a claim that was about to run on the statute of limitations. First part was about the viability of that claim. Second part was a basic de facto corporation / corporation by estoppel analysis

Capitol_Idea wrote:

emdub wrote:

threecharacters wrote:Corporations was Essay No 1.

And yes, they definitely gave way more info than needed in the extracts. You really had to know which sections were relevant to the question otherwise it was a distraction.

I no doubt bombed a couple essays but I'm hoping I did well enough on the others to make up the difference.

I was also expecting the essays to be more Maryland specific. Did I miss something?

What was in essay 1? I don't remember the order. I thought that was the Millary and Ronald one?

Millary and Ronald was civ pro I thought. All about what motions to file.

The first essay I think was about a corporation that lapsed and was revived after it filed a claim that was about to run on the statute of limitations. First part I think was about the viability of that claim. Second part was a basic de facto corporation / corporation by estoppel analysis

oh i remember now. thanks.

Yeah, the Corporation Essay was #1, then civ. Pro, then the Family law/Prof. Responsibility.

I felt that the corporations essay was too straight forward that I was left overthinking about it.

Pass302 wrote:Yeah, the Corporation Essay was #1, then civ. Pro, then the Family law/Prof. Responsibility.

I felt that the corporations essay was too straight forward that I was left overthinking about it.

2nd one was secured transactions, unless people had questions in different orders which seems weird

Capitol_Idea wrote:

Pass302 wrote:Yeah, the Corporation Essay was #1, then civ. Pro, then the Family law/Prof. Responsibility.

I felt that the corporations essay was too straight forward that I was left overthinking about it.

2nd one was secured transactions, unless people had questions in different orders which seems weird

Yes, yes, you are right! Secured transactions was second.

On another note: Did anyone else find the Chairs screeching on the floor to be really annoying? And who's phone rang? haha

Pass302 wrote:On another note: Did anyone else find the Chairs screeching on the floor to be really annoying? And who's phone rang? haha

yeah I definitely moved my chair and made that awful death screech once or twice, to my chagrin.

I never heard the phone. My table-mate told me about it later but I never recalled it happening

MPT wasn't bad. Corporations was ok. I agree for Secured Transaction you had to read the long statute. only one definition and the 3rd and 4th statute were relevant I believe. Took me ~3 minutes to realize the second (longest) didn't apply. Rest of teh questions seemed pretty straightforward.

For future students here's a breakdown:

1. Corporations - testing the rule when a corporation lapses filing for 4 years and then bringing a claim against an incorporator
2. Secured Transaction - statutes provided, testing issue whether a purchaser was in the ordinary course of business, or not.
3. Family Law/ Professional Responsibility - looking at marital assets and equitable division of pensions. What Professional Rule is broken when attorneys withhold information in discovery. (at least candor to the tribunal?).

Break
4. Torts. Product Liability, with some negligence I believe. Probably some agency, vicarious liability, thrown in.
5. Civil Procedure, with extracts. Motions to file, easy, bringing sanctions, rules for providing answers to admissions. all in the extracts
6. [I'm blanking on this one, any help?]
7. Property, just an easement question. Definitely my worst
8. Evidence. Three pieces. Man's "blinking" identity for hearsay purposes. Girlfriend's abstract identification evidence of a past shooter from a month before (lack of personal knowledge / irrelevant?). gun casing from previous shooting tied to pertinent shooting. Authentication and irrelevant?
9. Con Law. Maryland state imposed tax on out of state athletes. Analyze under the DPC, EPC, and Commerce Clause (Dormant)
10. Crim Pro. Probably Cause when an individual runs from the police. Then throws an item into someone else's house. Then the officer returns later and searches that house without a warrant or permission. Then non-violently threatens that person at the police station for testimony-(says they will be charged for what was in their home). Not bad


MODS, I believe this is ok because we were allowed to take our questions home. If not I'll take it down and sorry.

I forgot to bring mine- this was from memory. Others can quote and add their thoughts.

muskies970 wrote:MPT wasn't bad. Corporations was ok. I agree for Secured Transaction you had to read the long statute. only one definition and the 3rd and 4th statute were relevant I believe. Took me ~3 minutes to realize the second (longest) didn't apply. Rest of teh questions seemed pretty straightforward.

For future students here's a breakdown:

1. Corporations - testing the rule when a corporation lapses filing for 4 years and then bringing a claim against an incorporator
2. Secured Transaction - statutes provided, testing issue whether a purchaser was in the ordinary course of business, or not.
3. Family Law/ Professional Responsibility - looking at marital assets and equitable division of pensions. What Professional Rule is broken when attorneys withhold information in discovery. (at least candor to the tribunal?).

Break
4. Torts. Product Liability, with some negligence I believe. Probably some agency, vicarious liability, thrown in.
5. Civil Procedure, with extracts. Motions to file, easy, bringing sanctions, rules for providing answers to admissions. all in the extracts
6. [I'm blanking on this one, any help?]
7. Property, just an easement question. Definitely my worst
8. Evidence. Three pieces. Man's "blinking" identity for hearsay purposes. Girlfriend's abstract identification evidence of a past shooter from a month before (lack of personal knowledge / irrelevant?). gun casing from previous shooting tied to pertinent shooting. Authentication and irrelevant?
9. Con Law. Maryland state imposed tax on out of state athletes. Analyze under the DPC, EPC, and Commerce Clause (Dormant)
10. Crim Pro. Probably Cause when an individual runs from the police. Then throws an item into someone else's house. Then the officer returns later and searches that house without a warrant or permission. Then non-violently threatens that person at the police station for testimony-(says they will be charged for what was in their home). Not bad


MODS, I believe this is ok because we were allowed to take our questions home. If not I'll take it down and sorry.

I forgot to bring mine- this was from memory. Others can quote and add their thoughts.

The 6th one was Contracts.

Pass302 wrote:

muskies970 wrote:MPT wasn't bad. Corporations was ok. I agree for Secured Transaction you had to read the long statute. only one definition and the 3rd and 4th statute were relevant I believe. Took me ~3 minutes to realize the second (longest) didn't apply. Rest of teh questions seemed pretty straightforward.

For future students here's a breakdown:

1. Corporations - testing the rule when a corporation lapses filing for 4 years and then bringing a claim against an incorporator
2. Secured Transaction - statutes provided, testing issue whether a purchaser was in the ordinary course of business, or not.
3. Family Law/ Professional Responsibility - looking at marital assets and equitable division of pensions. What Professional Rule is broken when attorneys withhold information in discovery. (at least candor to the tribunal?).

Break
4. Torts. Product Liability, with some negligence I believe. Probably some agency, vicarious liability, thrown in.
5. Civil Procedure, with extracts. Motions to file, easy, bringing sanctions, rules for providing answers to admissions. all in the extracts
6. [I'm blanking on this one, any help?]
7. Property, just an easement question. Definitely my worst
8. Evidence. Three pieces. Man's "blinking" identity for hearsay purposes. Girlfriend's abstract identification evidence of a past shooter from a month before (lack of personal knowledge / irrelevant?). gun casing from previous shooting tied to pertinent shooting. Authentication and irrelevant?
9. Con Law. Maryland state imposed tax on out of state athletes. Analyze under the DPC, EPC, and Commerce Clause (Dormant)
10. Crim Pro. Probably Cause when an individual runs from the police. Then throws an item into someone else's house. Then the officer returns later and searches that house without a warrant or permission. Then non-violently threatens that person at the police station for testimony-(says they will be charged for what was in their home). Not bad


MODS, I believe this is ok because we were allowed to take our questions home. If not I'll take it down and sorry.

I forgot to bring mine- this was from memory. Others can quote and add their thoughts.

The 6th one was Contracts.

I figured that but for the life of me I can't remember the question prompt...

muskies970 wrote:

Pass302 wrote:

muskies970 wrote:MPT wasn't bad. Corporations was ok. I agree for Secured Transaction you had to read the long statute. only one definition and the 3rd and 4th statute were relevant I believe. Took me ~3 minutes to realize the second (longest) didn't apply. Rest of teh questions seemed pretty straightforward.

For future students here's a breakdown:

1. Corporations - testing the rule when a corporation lapses filing for 4 years and then bringing a claim against an incorporator
2. Secured Transaction - statutes provided, testing issue whether a purchaser was in the ordinary course of business, or not.
3. Family Law/ Professional Responsibility - looking at marital assets and equitable division of pensions. What Professional Rule is broken when attorneys withhold information in discovery. (at least candor to the tribunal?).

Break
4. Torts. Product Liability, with some negligence I believe. Probably some agency, vicarious liability, thrown in.
5. Civil Procedure, with extracts. Motions to file, easy, bringing sanctions, rules for providing answers to admissions. all in the extracts
6. [I'm blanking on this one, any help?]
7. Property, just an easement question. Definitely my worst
8. Evidence. Three pieces. Man's "blinking" identity for hearsay purposes. Girlfriend's abstract identification evidence of a past shooter from a month before (lack of personal knowledge / irrelevant?). gun casing from previous shooting tied to pertinent shooting. Authentication and irrelevant?
9. Con Law. Maryland state imposed tax on out of state athletes. Analyze under the DPC, EPC, and Commerce Clause (Dormant)
10. Crim Pro. Probably Cause when an individual runs from the police. Then throws an item into someone else's house. Then the officer returns later and searches that house without a warrant or permission. Then non-violently threatens that person at the police station for testimony-(says they will be charged for what was in their home). Not bad


MODS, I believe this is ok because we were allowed to take our questions home. If not I'll take it down and sorry.

I forgot to bring mine- this was from memory. Others can quote and add their thoughts.

The 6th one was Contracts.

I figured that but for the life of me I can't remember the question prompt...

It was the widgets company that was being bought by another person. It was basically about mutual mistake, unilateral mistake and misrepresentation

Pass302 wrote:

muskies970 wrote:

Pass302 wrote:

muskies970 wrote:MPT wasn't bad. Corporations was ok. I agree for Secured Transaction you had to read the long statute. only one definition and the 3rd and 4th statute were relevant I believe. Took me ~3 minutes to realize the second (longest) didn't apply. Rest of teh questions seemed pretty straightforward.

For future students here's a breakdown:

1. Corporations - testing the rule when a corporation lapses filing for 4 years and then bringing a claim against an incorporator
2. Secured Transaction - statutes provided, testing issue whether a purchaser was in the ordinary course of business, or not.
3. Family Law/ Professional Responsibility - looking at marital assets and equitable division of pensions. What Professional Rule is broken when attorneys withhold information in discovery. (at least candor to the tribunal?).

Break
4. Torts. Product Liability, with some negligence I believe. Probably some agency, vicarious liability, thrown in.
5. Civil Procedure, with extracts. Motions to file, easy, bringing sanctions, rules for providing answers to admissions. all in the extracts
6. [I'm blanking on this one, any help?]
7. Property, just an easement question. Definitely my worst
8. Evidence. Three pieces. Man's "blinking" identity for hearsay purposes. Girlfriend's abstract identification evidence of a past shooter from a month before (lack of personal knowledge / irrelevant?). gun casing from previous shooting tied to pertinent shooting. Authentication and irrelevant?
9. Con Law. Maryland state imposed tax on out of state athletes. Analyze under the DPC, EPC, and Commerce Clause (Dormant)
10. Crim Pro. Probably Cause when an individual runs from the police. Then throws an item into someone else's house. Then the officer returns later and searches that house without a warrant or permission. Then non-violently threatens that person at the police station for testimony-(says they will be charged for what was in their home). Not bad


MODS, I believe this is ok because we were allowed to take our questions home. If not I'll take it down and sorry.

I forgot to bring mine- this was from memory. Others can quote and add their thoughts.

The 6th one was Contracts.

I figured that but for the life of me I can't remember the question prompt...

It was the widgets company that was being bought by another person. It was basically about mutual mistake, unilateral mistake and misrepresentation

Yupp you're exactly right. Raising all the defenses possible. I'll add that in later thanks.

I am the most worried about the torts question oddly enough. I felt like it was too simple. You basically had negligence and strict products liability over and over again with the vicarious liability analysis thrown in. It felt like a really basic question which is very unsettling for me.

I barely remember anything about the exam. I took the questions home but I refused to look at them. I'm still having nightmares about the darn test so I prefer to leave the questions and the ridiculously long extracts alone.

The one thing I did note is that the extracts provided with my Themis materials were very short compared to the ones on the exam.

I felt as though I was on autopilot during the entire essay exam. The whole darn exam was like an episode of Jackass. A very drunk episode.

Also, I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but the February essay questions are half the length of the July essay questions. I wonder why that is.

Has anyone started a waiting thread for the next two weeks?

This one will serve, I think.

Let's just not be like the NY thread weirdos please

So how's everyone holding up? I haven't thought about the exam a ton, but now it's coming back. The 4th really can't be here soon enough.