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Do you think that learning from the mini-conviser review only is enough to pass the NY bar or do I have to include material from the long outline/lectures as well? I bought the books from someone, so I don't have the lecture outlines and the long outlines seem to be packed with LOTS information which is bound to usurp too much brain juice. The only time I expect to go to the long outline is if I don't understand something (which so far hasn't happened), but want to make sure I can scathe by with just the mini-conviser. Thanks.

the lectures + handouts are enough on their own. CMR is overkill, though i did consult it for MBE purposes when i needed some clarification.

5ky wrote:the lectures + handouts are enough on their own. CMR is overkill, though i did consult it for MBE purposes when i needed some clarification.

I unfortunately don't have the lectures/handouts. I got the books online

You absolutely have to compliment it with going through practice questions. It's enough to learn the black letter law and you'll be fine for the essays but certain shit won't resonate unless you do lots of practice MBE questions.

The CMR covers much more than you'd need to know and it'd hurt you if you tried to study mostly from that imo. If you don't have access to the lectures/handouts you need to find some source that will help you focus on specific areas of the individual topics so that you don't get lost or overwhelmed by the CMR.

5ky wrote:the lectures + handouts are enough on their own. CMR is overkill, though i did consult it for MBE purposes when i needed some clarification.

What about the fact that the essays often include points for things not in the handout/lecture? Do think its okay just to concede these points?

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:

5ky wrote:the lectures + handouts are enough on their own. CMR is overkill, though i did consult it for MBE purposes when i needed some clarification.

What about the fact that the essays often include points for things not in the handout/lecture? Do think its okay just to concede these points?

yes. i conceded portions of entire subjects and focused on the most heavily tested items for the more minor state subjects.

look at the published essays from prior exams, which can be found on the ny bole website. they are really substantially easier than the barbri ones.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamQuestions/ ... stions.htm

imo limiting the universe you're studying is really key. if you limit yourself to the handouts and learn those cold, knowing that 75-8% cold is much better than knowing 100% vaguely

5ky wrote:

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:

5ky wrote:the lectures + handouts are enough on their own. CMR is overkill, though i did consult it for MBE purposes when i needed some clarification.

What about the fact that the essays often include points for things not in the handout/lecture? Do think its okay just to concede these points?

yes. i conceded portions of entire subjects and focused on the most heavily tested items for the more minor state subjects.

look at the published essays from prior exams, which can be found on the ny bole website. they are really substantially easier than the barbri ones.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamQuestions/ ... stions.htm

imo limiting the universe you're studying is really key. if you limit yourself to the handouts and learn those cold, knowing that 75-8% cold is much better than knowing 100% vaguely

If the assessments that we take after the lectures are representative of the exam, then I'd say the typical lecture covers only 40-70% of the needed content (depending on the quality of the lecture). That's what's scaring me to death. The assessment questions are taken from the big outlines.

I don't know what the assessments are, those are new from when I took the bar. I walked out of the NY day having guessed on a handful of NYMC and 1 sub essay question about workers comp, I knew everything else and memorized the handouts exclusively. I did not ever use the big outlines. It's just more of Barbri scare tactics

I thought the MBE day was trickier than the ny day

5ky wrote:I don't know what the assessments are, those are new from when I took the bar. I walked out of the NY day having guessed on a handful of NYMC and 1 sub essay question about workers comp, I knew everything else and memorized the handouts exclusively. I did not ever use the big outlines. It's just more of Barbri scare tactics

I thought the MBE day was trickier than the ny day

The assessments are BRUTAL. They test the darkest corners of the big outlines.

3|ink wrote:

5ky wrote:I don't know what the assessments are, those are new from when I took the bar. I walked out of the NY day having guessed on a handful of NYMC and 1 sub essay question about workers comp, I knew everything else and memorized the handouts exclusively. I did not ever use the big outlines. It's just more of Barbri scare tactics

I thought the MBE day was trickier than the ny day

The assessments are BRUTAL. They test the darkest corners of the big outlines.

I'm thinking of skipping them for that reason and working on the simulated questions instead.

Simulated questions can dig deep sometimes as well

I don't mind questions that "dig deep," provided that they cover material that will actually be tested.

I'm taking NY and 83% of first time takers pass. I'm going to trust that learning from the handouts is enough given that 4/5 people are passing.