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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:45 pm
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Is it like the Candyman? Say Fordham three times and she appears?MrSoOoFLy wrote:::waits for operasop to post::
It's more like say Fordh... and she appears.frotteur wrote:Is it like the Candyman? Say Fordham three times and she appears?MrSoOoFLy wrote:::waits for operasop to post::
pany1985 wrote:I'm not gonna go there, but I visited and from a purely superficial standpoint it pretty much looked like a 40-year-old high school.
It did, and it was beautiful. I went for a walk in there on Monday, and got lost in some subterranean passages. I did eventually find the bookstore, where I proceeded to buy my mom the best mother's day present ever: a Fordham Mom sweatshirt. I'll box it up and send it with roses!awesomepossum wrote:pany1985 wrote:I'm not gonna go there, but I visited and from a purely superficial standpoint it pretty much looked like a 40-year-old high school.
yup
Doesn't your mom read these forums?OperaSoprano wrote:It did, and it was beautiful. I went for a walk in there on Monday, and got lost in some subterranean passages. I did eventually find the bookstore, where I proceeded to buy my mom the best mother's day present ever: a Fordham Mom sweatshirt. I'll box it up and send it with roses!awesomepossum wrote:pany1985 wrote:I'm not gonna go there, but I visited and from a purely superficial standpoint it pretty much looked like a 40-year-old high school.
yup
She does, but she knows anyway. I had to call to make sure of the size she wanted.aer wrote:Doesn't your mom read these forums?OperaSoprano wrote:It did, and it was beautiful. I went for a walk in there on Monday, and got lost in some subterranean passages. I did eventually find the bookstore, where I proceeded to buy my mom the best mother's day present ever: a Fordham Mom sweatshirt. I'll box it up and send it with roses!awesomepossum wrote:pany1985 wrote:I'm not gonna go there, but I visited and from a purely superficial standpoint it pretty much looked like a 40-year-old high school.
yup
I went to Fordham today too, just to visit and not to pay any deposit or so.. and I'm NYU undergrad toohopewell wrote:I went to drop off my seat deposit today. It was alright. A lot of construction. I went to NYU undergrad and like that area more. I live in the LES now, but plan on moving to the UES or UWS for better rent, (thank you recession).
What I mean by saying that is I lived near NYU, I liked the area. Ill never live near Lincoln Center. No shot.
Uhh... Tho what?awesomepossum wrote:pany1985 wrote:I'm not gonna go there, but I visited and from a purely superficial standpoint it pretty much looked like a 40-year-old high school.
yup
nitsudrx wrote:Uhh... Tho what?awesomepossum wrote:pany1985 wrote:I'm not gonna go there, but I visited and from a purely superficial standpoint it pretty much looked like a 40-year-old high school.
yup
"Depending on the year" is crucial here. In this economy, Fordham students are struggling where the New York market has been devastated by the collapse of the financial industry. While around the same time last year, 2L OCI had about 200 employers lined up to participate, this year we have less than half of that amount. Quoting an anonymous Fordham staffer, OCI will be "slim pickings" this year.OperaSoprano wrote:Gone for one day, and a thread like this pops up! If anyone would like to know how future Fordham students feel about our beloved school, I have two things to share with you:
OS Speaks of Fordham (crosspost, with update)
Fordham is the third (or fourth, if you count Cornell) best school in the biggest legal market in the country, and yet it has an edge over many higher ranked schools. 87.9% of students have jobs lined up by graduation, and 98.5% are employed within 9 months. With over 87% reporting salary data, last year's average salary in private practice was over $146,000. The median was $160,000. This year's 25th to 75th percentile private practice salary range is $152,700 to $160,000. The top half of the class has an excellent shot at biglaw, and around 40% select this option, depending on the year. You will not find very many schools with numbers like this outside the T14.
PIRC is my favorite place at Fordham as the people there are genuinely nice and thoughtful as compared to the majority of the student body that only has BIGLAW on their minds (where most of them won't get BIGLAW). Dispute Resolution Society, which you mentioned, is quite competitive but they genuinely do well. There is no immigrants' clinic, but the Social Justice Clinic and International Human Rights Clinics do exist. Leitner is more competitive than Feerick, but they're BOTH very competitive and most students will not step foot in their offices. Fordham's LRAP, which you quote as generous, is anything but--to qualify, you need to be making less than ~$60k a year, which puts you out of the LRAP running for most federal positions. It is decent, however, if you end up working for city government or non-profits.What about Public Interest? Fordham has a top ten dispute resolution program that I will be participating in, if admitted. The school has a social justice clinic, and an international human rights clinic. Fordham has an immigrants' rights clinic. You can study international sustainable development. The school's LRAP is quite generous, and combined with the new CCRA and Income Based Repayment, will make the debt load manageable.
They're alright.Fordham has an a cappella group, the Tortfeasors. I hear they are very good. They performed at the last admitted students' day, which I had to miss, since I was not admitted.
i'm hoping that is not true. that seems like a pretty steep drop-off. the class of '05 placed a third in the NLJ 250, and they would have done their OCI in 03, which wasn't really a boom economy. (it went up to like 40+ percent in the recent 'boom' years, if i'm not mistaken). so, assuming this ship rights itself, i don't see why incoming 0L's would figure they'd have to assume a number like 15%....touche wrote:FLS student speaks of Fordham in a less sunshine & happy manner.
"Depending on the year" is crucial here. In this economy, Fordham students are struggling where the New York market has been devastated by the collapse of the financial industry. While around the same time last year, 2L OCI had about 200 employers lined up to participate, this year we have less than half of that amount. Quoting an anonymous Fordham staffer, OCI will be "slim pickings" this year.OperaSoprano wrote:Gone for one day, and a thread like this pops up! If anyone would like to know how future Fordham students feel about our beloved school, I have two things to share with you:
OS Speaks of Fordham (crosspost, with update)
Fordham is the third (or fourth, if you count Cornell) best school in the biggest legal market in the country, and yet it has an edge over many higher ranked schools. 87.9% of students have jobs lined up by graduation, and 98.5% are employed within 9 months. With over 87% reporting salary data, last year's average salary in private practice was over $146,000. The median was $160,000. This year's 25th to 75th percentile private practice salary range is $152,700 to $160,000. The top half of the class has an excellent shot at biglaw, and around 40% select this option, depending on the year. You will not find very many schools with numbers like this outside the T14.
PIRC is my favorite place at Fordham as the people there are genuinely nice and thoughtful as compared to the majority of the student body that only has BIGLAW on their minds (where most of them won't get BIGLAW). Dispute Resolution Society, which you mentioned, is quite competitive but they genuinely do well. There is no immigrants' clinic, but the Social Justice Clinic and International Human Rights Clinics do exist. Leitner is more competitive than Feerick, but they're BOTH very competitive and most students will not step foot in their offices. Fordham's LRAP, which you quote as generous, is anything but--to qualify, you need to be making less than ~$60k a year, which puts you out of the LRAP running for most federal positions. It is decent, however, if you end up working for city government or non-profits.What about Public Interest? Fordham has a top ten dispute resolution program that I will be participating in, if admitted. The school has a social justice clinic, and an international human rights clinic. Fordham has an immigrants' rights clinic. You can study international sustainable development. The school's LRAP is quite generous, and combined with the new CCRA and Income Based Repayment, will make the debt load manageable.
They're alright.Fordham has an a cappella group, the Tortfeasors. I hear they are very good. They performed at the last admitted students' day, which I had to miss, since I was not admitted.
Now, for more thoughts. In general, Fordham is a fantastic school. Professors are great, the staff is very helpful and there are plenty of opportunities available to get involved. The building is very mediocre, but a new one will be completed in 2025, so if you're willing to defer until then, you might get to partake in this new building. I would be hesitant to recommend that anyone goes to Fordham in this economy, particularly if they are determined on working in corporate law. With a huge number of unemployed lawyers and deferred law students clogging up the pipes, so to speak, the schools outside the more prominent ones such as NYU and Columbia will be the hardest hit. Whereas normally top 3rd-quarter at Fordham would qualify for BIGLAW, chances are that this number will be closer to top 15% at this stage. Given the student body, highly competitive and highly miserable, getting top 15% will require a lot more work. My suggestion? Take year off, do Peace Corps, retake LSAT and go to NYU. HTH.
+1...i'm not trying to be my normal overly-positive self, but i think thats a pretty big guesstimatelet/them/eat/cake wrote:i'm hoping that is not true. that seems like a pretty steep drop-off. the class of '05 placed a third in the NLJ 250, and they would have done their OCI in 03, which wasn't really a boom economy. (it went up to like 40+ percent in the recent 'boom' years, if i'm not mistaken). so, assuming this ship rights itself, i don't see why incoming 0L's would figure they'd have to assume a number like 15%....touche wrote:FLS student speaks of Fordham in a less sunshine & happy manner.
"Depending on the year" is crucial here. In this economy, Fordham students are struggling where the New York market has been devastated by the collapse of the financial industry. While around the same time last year, 2L OCI had about 200 employers lined up to participate, this year we have less than half of that amount. Quoting an anonymous Fordham staffer, OCI will be "slim pickings" this year.OperaSoprano wrote:Gone for one day, and a thread like this pops up! If anyone would like to know how future Fordham students feel about our beloved school, I have two things to share with you:
OS Speaks of Fordham (crosspost, with update)
Fordham is the third (or fourth, if you count Cornell) best school in the biggest legal market in the country, and yet it has an edge over many higher ranked schools. 87.9% of students have jobs lined up by graduation, and 98.5% are employed within 9 months. With over 87% reporting salary data, last year's average salary in private practice was over $146,000. The median was $160,000. This year's 25th to 75th percentile private practice salary range is $152,700 to $160,000. The top half of the class has an excellent shot at biglaw, and around 40% select this option, depending on the year. You will not find very many schools with numbers like this outside the T14.
PIRC is my favorite place at Fordham as the people there are genuinely nice and thoughtful as compared to the majority of the student body that only has BIGLAW on their minds (where most of them won't get BIGLAW). Dispute Resolution Society, which you mentioned, is quite competitive but they genuinely do well. There is no immigrants' clinic, but the Social Justice Clinic and International Human Rights Clinics do exist. Leitner is more competitive than Feerick, but they're BOTH very competitive and most students will not step foot in their offices. Fordham's LRAP, which you quote as generous, is anything but--to qualify, you need to be making less than ~$60k a year, which puts you out of the LRAP running for most federal positions. It is decent, however, if you end up working for city government or non-profits.What about Public Interest? Fordham has a top ten dispute resolution program that I will be participating in, if admitted. The school has a social justice clinic, and an international human rights clinic. Fordham has an immigrants' rights clinic. You can study international sustainable development. The school's LRAP is quite generous, and combined with the new CCRA and Income Based Repayment, will make the debt load manageable.
They're alright.Fordham has an a cappella group, the Tortfeasors. I hear they are very good. They performed at the last admitted students' day, which I had to miss, since I was not admitted.
Now, for more thoughts. In general, Fordham is a fantastic school. Professors are great, the staff is very helpful and there are plenty of opportunities available to get involved. The building is very mediocre, but a new one will be completed in 2025, so if you're willing to defer until then, you might get to partake in this new building. I would be hesitant to recommend that anyone goes to Fordham in this economy, particularly if they are determined on working in corporate law. With a huge number of unemployed lawyers and deferred law students clogging up the pipes, so to speak, the schools outside the more prominent ones such as NYU and Columbia will be the hardest hit. Whereas normally top 3rd-quarter at Fordham would qualify for BIGLAW, chances are that this number will be closer to top 15% at this stage. Given the student body, highly competitive and highly miserable, getting top 15% will require a lot more work. My suggestion? Take year off, do Peace Corps, retake LSAT and go to NYU. HTH.
perhaps I'm missing something, or we're operating under a different set of assumptions.
I don't know if you've heard this, but the economy is going through some tough times right now. Nothing huge, only the largest unemployment rate in quarter of a century. It's going to take some time for the ship to right itself, as you call it, but given the large number of deferred and laid off associates, it's probably a sound idea to figure out how long it will take for the ship to right itself. Where 0Ls are going to be applying for jobs a year down the road, do you really think that firms will be back to their normal hiring mode by then? Keep in mind that many of the '09ers aren't even going to be starting work until 2010 and in some cases 2011, and keep in mind that economic recessions last 2-3 years and we're still in year 1.let/them/eat/cake wrote:
i'm hoping that is not true. that seems like a pretty steep drop-off. the class of '05 placed a third in the NLJ 250, and they would have done their OCI in 03, which wasn't really a boom economy. (it went up to like 40+ percent in the recent 'boom' years, if i'm not mistaken). so, assuming this ship rights itself, i don't see why incoming 0L's would figure they'd have to assume a number like 15%....
perhaps I'm missing something, or we're operating under a different set of assumptions.