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Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:31 pm
by stuckinthemiddle
So can anyone speak to the prudence of taking biz orgs, evidence, and trial ad in one shot (as a 2L)?

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:09 pm
by Arbiter213
stuckinthemiddle wrote:So can anyone speak to the prudence of taking biz orgs, evidence, and trial ad in one shot (as a 2L)?
I would take evidence prior to trial ad.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:22 pm
by stuckinthemiddle
How crucial do you think evidence is to trial ad?

It's only offered in the fall and I may want to do a full term externship in nyc come 3L year. :/

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:33 pm
by stuckinthemiddle
Also, anyone with insights on:

Law and Mental Health - Beresford
Evidence - Colb (as opposed to the lecturer in the Spring)
Public International Law - Ndulo
Oral Skills - Atlas

?

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:40 am
by Lincoln
Arbiter213 wrote:
stuckinthemiddle wrote:So can anyone speak to the prudence of taking biz orgs, evidence, and trial ad in one shot (as a 2L)?
I would take evidence prior to trial ad.
So this is more of a general observation, but I'm a litigator at a big firm and about 40% of all the actual law stuff I do has to do with privileges. If I had to do law school over again I'd take evidence (and take it seriously) and every other litigation-related class that dealt with privilege.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:35 am
by FlanAl
I'd take them concurrently. You might be a little behind in your evidence knowledge in the beginning but you'll learn the rules way better by getting to use them each week in trial ad. Evidence is pretty tough to learn in a vacuum its way easier if you can apply it on a regular basis.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:18 am
by sheldoncooper622
BullShitWithBravado wrote:
toothbrush wrote:Can anyone comment on the following classes and/or professors in terms of how interesting/useful/difficult/enjoyable they are?

Financial institutions – omarova
Tax – green
Antitrust- hay
Trusts & estates – Sherwin
Bizorgs – hockett v whitehead
White collar crime – Garvey
Land Use – Underkuffler
Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg
Admin – Farina
Deals Seminars
Securities Clinic – Jacobson
Law & mental Health – Beresford
Water /Indian Law – Torres
Corporate Finance - Minella
Take: Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg (Take this class if you want to do corporate. Blassberg is a former rainmaker at Debevoise, so she has a lot of actual legal experience and is just a good person to know in general.)

Don't Take: Securities Clinic – Jacobson (anyone I've ever talked to who took it said it was a lot of work, at least one of the professors is crazy, and you don't learn anything); Water /Indian Law – Torres (the class is way more work than it should be and he's a harsh grader); Corporate Finance - Minella (you'll pretty much have to teach yourself corporate finance, which won't be fun)

Just a question regarding Private Equity Playbook, what is the course like? Lecture, socratic method, class participation etc.? Also, how are you evaluated? Exams, presentations, papers etc.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:21 am
by sheldoncooper622
Sorry for another question. But is it true that for Green's tax class, you don't have to go to class? I've heard that you don't have to go to class at all and can still get a good grade.

Thanks

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:22 pm
by sheldoncooper622
bump :P just because pre-reg deadline is coming up

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:41 pm
by BullShitWithBravado
sheldoncooper622 wrote:
BullShitWithBravado wrote:
toothbrush wrote:Can anyone comment on the following classes and/or professors in terms of how interesting/useful/difficult/enjoyable they are?

Financial institutions – omarova
Tax – green
Antitrust- hay
Trusts & estates – Sherwin
Bizorgs – hockett v whitehead
White collar crime – Garvey
Land Use – Underkuffler
Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg
Admin – Farina
Deals Seminars
Securities Clinic – Jacobson
Law & mental Health – Beresford
Water /Indian Law – Torres
Corporate Finance - Minella
Take: Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg (Take this class if you want to do corporate. Blassberg is a former rainmaker at Debevoise, so she has a lot of actual legal experience and is just a good person to know in general.)

Don't Take: Securities Clinic – Jacobson (anyone I've ever talked to who took it said it was a lot of work, at least one of the professors is crazy, and you don't learn anything); Water /Indian Law – Torres (the class is way more work than it should be and he's a harsh grader); Corporate Finance - Minella (you'll pretty much have to teach yourself corporate finance, which won't be fun)

Just a question regarding Private Equity Playbook, what is the course like? Lecture, socratic method, class participation etc.? Also, how are you evaluated? Exams, presentations, papers etc.
I didn't take the class myself, but knew a bunch of people who did. It was mandatory pass/fail and, as far as I understand, the assignments consisted of reading and marking up real contracts.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:25 pm
by shuttlesworth
sheldoncooper622 wrote:Sorry for another question. But is it true that for Green's tax class, you don't have to go to class? I've heard that you don't have to go to class at all and can still get a good grade.

Thanks
It is more possible than in other classes, because Green is very consistent year-to-year and most of the information you will learn in class is available on outlines from previous years. That said, going to class is probably the single most important thing you can do to get a good grade in any class.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:56 pm
by Lacepiece23
sheldoncooper622 wrote:Sorry for another question. But is it true that for Green's tax class, you don't have to go to class? I've heard that you don't have to go to class at all and can still get a good grade.

Thanks
If you want a class where you really dont have to go for a good grade take colb. Just make sure you volunteer when you are there.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:11 am
by sheldoncooper622
Thanks guys!

Is the Business Concepts for Lawyers an easy class to get a good grade?

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:34 am
by sheldoncooper622
Bump. Also, is Law Governing Lawyers a relatively easy class?

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:51 am
by Lacepiece23
sheldoncooper622 wrote:Thanks guys!

Is the Business Concepts for Lawyers an easy class to get a good grade?
I heard its not really. A lot of the MBA bros and people who have already taken bus orgs take it. Its for us litigation folks, but we never end up being in the class.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:54 am
by toothbrush
sheldoncooper622 wrote:Bump. Also, is Law Governing Lawyers a relatively easy class?
Are you a median-bro looking to improve or a top-1/3 looking to grade protect? Either way, I feel like your class-picking strategy is going to bite you in the ass.

fwiw i've heard most corp-heavy classes are rough just bc of the curve.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:04 am
by Lacepiece23
toothbrush wrote:
sheldoncooper622 wrote:Bump. Also, is Law Governing Lawyers a relatively easy class?
Are you a median-bro looking to improve or a top-1/3 looking to grade protect? Either way, I feel like your class-picking strategy is going to bite you in the ass.

fwiw i've heard most corp-heavy classes are rough just bc of the curve.
Why would it make a difference? There are smart people who take litigation classes as well.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:06 am
by toothbrush
Lacepiece23 wrote:Why would it make a difference? There are smart people who take litigation classes as well.
Just passing along an anecdote. I agree though. However, I feel like corp people are more likely to "climb over each others dead bodies" to get the top grade.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:19 am
by Lacepiece23
I guess maybe in Whitehead. I took bus orgs with another professor and noticed a way more forgiving curve than crim pro with blume. Studied less for bus orgs and did well. Got slaughtered in crim pro.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:28 am
by Lavitz
Lacepiece23 wrote:I guess maybe in Whitehead. I took bus orgs with another professor and noticed a way more forgiving curve than crim pro with blume. Studied less for bus orgs and did well. Got slaughtered in crim pro.
Ugh. Taking both Whitehead and CrimPro. :?

Edit: wonderful 2500th post.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:31 pm
by highopes337
Hey Guys,
Anybody have anything to say about First Amendment Law with Tebbe?

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:33 pm
by toothbrush
highopes337 wrote:Hey Guys,
Anybody have anything to say about First Amendment Law with Tebbe?
When Tebbe was last here he was well-received. Looks like he is being "tried out" again or something. But I have spoken with now 3Ls who say Tebbe was great.

Traditionally, as you probably know, Shiffrin taught 1st amendment. It was a well-liked class for the topic and professor.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:55 pm
by highopes337
You always deliver, Toothbrush. Thanks!

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:57 pm
by toothbrush
highopes337 wrote:You always deliver, Toothbrush. Thanks!
:)

we need to catch-up at some point.

Re: Cornell 1L taking questions

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:23 pm
by mt2165
Random question: does one have any chance at successfully subletting their apartment during the summer? Or is that for all intents and purposes lost cash if you don't plan on staying in Ithaca during the summer?