1/3 or 1Ls just for LR? Or including journalsKMaine wrote:I believe that they choose a full 1/3 without any reference to grades.msblaw89 wrote:Do you know how many walk-ons there are and how many total 1Ls make CLR?KMaine wrote:Potato - If you really like Cornell better, I don't think we have too much trouble placing in TX. But you will have a better chance at D.C. and maybe other markets out of UVA.
FlanAl - If your grades are great, you will get a job without a journal. Otherwise, probably not a great idea to risk it. LR is almost necessary for clerkships.
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KMaine means of those selected, not those that apply. See http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/resear ... bylaws.cfm.msblaw89 wrote:1/3 or 1Ls just for LR? Or including journalsKMaine wrote:I believe that they choose a full 1/3 without any reference to grades.msblaw89 wrote:Do you know how many walk-ons there are and how many total 1Ls make CLR?KMaine wrote:Potato - If you really like Cornell better, I don't think we have too much trouble placing in TX. But you will have a better chance at D.C. and maybe other markets out of UVA.
FlanAl - If your grades are great, you will get a job without a journal. Otherwise, probably not a great idea to risk it. LR is almost necessary for clerkships.
(Also, I think it is 20% unless there was a change to the bylaws)
For total people selected just look at the Masthead and count the number of associates.
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I've still not gotten a straight answer on this one: I'm going to write a personal statement, but isn't it a waste of my time if I'm not from a disadvantaged or minority background?CyLaw wrote:
KMaine means of those selected, not those that apply. See http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/resear ... bylaws.cfm.
(Also, I think it is 20% unless there was a change to the bylaws)
For total people selected just look at the Masthead and count the number of associates.
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I can't say as did not do writing comp. The 2Ls on Journal may not be able to say either if they are involved in the selection process (granted, I imagine they will say to submit one if you think it expresses something not apparent in writing comp or resume). Maybe a 3L can answer better.Arbiter213 wrote:I've still not gotten a straight answer on this one: I'm going to write a personal statement, but isn't it a waste of my time if I'm not from a disadvantaged or minority background?CyLaw wrote:
KMaine means of those selected, not those that apply. See http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/resear ... bylaws.cfm.
(Also, I think it is 20% unless there was a change to the bylaws)
For total people selected just look at the Masthead and count the number of associates.
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From the bylaws:
1. The minimum number of second year students to be afforded associate status through the writing/editing competition shall be 20 percent of those completing the competition or 12, whichever is less. A higher percentage may be selected if a larger number of competitors have demonstrated superior ability.
It looks like it will be 12 (a little less than 1/3 of the total LR) unless fewer than 60 people take part in the writing competition.
In terms of the diversity statement (I was on the Committee last year), it varies from year to year. Often people are given some points if their "diversity" is not racial diversity. I think it is a mistake not to write one. There must be something that makes you different from your classmates.
1. The minimum number of second year students to be afforded associate status through the writing/editing competition shall be 20 percent of those completing the competition or 12, whichever is less. A higher percentage may be selected if a larger number of competitors have demonstrated superior ability.
It looks like it will be 12 (a little less than 1/3 of the total LR) unless fewer than 60 people take part in the writing competition.
In terms of the diversity statement (I was on the Committee last year), it varies from year to year. Often people are given some points if their "diversity" is not racial diversity. I think it is a mistake not to write one. There must be something that makes you different from your classmates.
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There are things, sure. I guess my first hope is those things involve my GPA, first, or writing competition score, secondKMaine wrote:From the bylaws:
1. The minimum number of second year students to be afforded associate status through the writing/editing competition shall be 20 percent of those completing the competition or 12, whichever is less. A higher percentage may be selected if a larger number of competitors have demonstrated superior ability.
It looks like it will be 12 (a little less than 1/3 of the total LR) unless fewer than 60 people take part in the writing competition.
In terms of the diversity statement (I was on the Committee last year), it varies from year to year. Often people are given some points if their "diversity" is not racial diversity. I think it is a mistake not to write one. There must be something that makes you different from your classmates.
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If the members Of LR are primarily liberal, and you are conservative, would writing a do resort statement on political views put you at a disadvantage? Maybe it depends on who reads it?KMaine wrote:From the bylaws:
1. The minimum number of second year students to be afforded associate status through the writing/editing competition shall be 20 percent of those completing the competition or 12, whichever is less. A higher percentage may be selected if a larger number of competitors have demonstrated superior ability.
It looks like it will be 12 (a little less than 1/3 of the total LR) unless fewer than 60 people take part in the writing competition.
In terms of the diversity statement (I was on the Committee last year), it varies from year to year. Often people are given some points if their "diversity" is not racial diversity. I think it is a mistake not to write one. There must be something that makes you different from your classmates.
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Jesus Christmsblaw89 wrote: If the members Of LR are primarily liberal, and you are conservative, would writing a do resort statement on political views put you at a disadvantage? Maybe it depends on who reads it?
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msblaw89 wrote: If the members Of LR are primarily liberal, and you are conservative, would writing a do resort statement on political views put you at a disadvantage? Maybe it depends on who reads it?
Short of actively insulting or alienating a group of people, no one is going to care about your political views (for better or worse). Also, there are plenty of out spoken conservatives at the school.
ETA: Also, you are a 0L right. Don't worry about LR right now. There are way too many factors that will affect your chances at LR for you to worry about right now.
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Are there a lot of Ron Paul fans at cornell law school?CyLaw wrote:msblaw89 wrote: If the members Of LR are primarily liberal, and you are conservative, would writing a do resort statement on political views put you at a disadvantage? Maybe it depends on who reads it?
Short of actively insulting or alienating a group of people, no one is going to care about your political views (for better or worse). Also, there are plenty of out spoken conservatives at the school.
ETA: Also, you are a 0L right. Don't worry about LR right now. There are way too many factors that will affect your chances at LR for you to worry about right now.
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Ron Paul came to campus and people went to the event. I don't know if they are fans though.Mr. Somebody wrote:Are there a lot of Ron Paul fans at cornell law school?CyLaw wrote:msblaw89 wrote: If the members Of LR are primarily liberal, and you are conservative, would writing a do resort statement on political views put you at a disadvantage? Maybe it depends on who reads it?
Short of actively insulting or alienating a group of people, no one is going to care about your political views (for better or worse). Also, there are plenty of out spoken conservatives at the school.
ETA: Also, you are a 0L right. Don't worry about LR right now. There are way too many factors that will affect your chances at LR for you to worry about right now.
(Also, shouldn't it be Ron Paul supporters. Fans makes him sound like a pop star.)
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I apologize for asking ANOTHER placement question (but the 2011 #'s still have me scared so I want to make sure I'm making the right decision here). And this will probably be the last one
Its been discussed in other threads that Columbia did really well at OCI last year with 78% of the class getting an offer (or at least of the participants). So that's for the c/o 2013. (obviously not going to columbia but just using as example and reference point)
I know for Cornell the 80% figure has been tossed around here but is that official for the C/O 2013 offer rate at OCI last year or is that rumor/gossip? Also is there any breakdown by V10, V20 V50 etc? If you want to stay anonymous you can PM me
Its been discussed in other threads that Columbia did really well at OCI last year with 78% of the class getting an offer (or at least of the participants). So that's for the c/o 2013. (obviously not going to columbia but just using as example and reference point)
I know for Cornell the 80% figure has been tossed around here but is that official for the C/O 2013 offer rate at OCI last year or is that rumor/gossip? Also is there any breakdown by V10, V20 V50 etc? If you want to stay anonymous you can PM me
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Would like to know this as wellMr. Somebody wrote:I apologize for asking ANOTHER placement question (but the 2011 #'s still have me scared so I want to make sure I'm making the right decision here). And this will probably be the last one
Its been discussed in other threads that Columbia did really well at OCI last year with 78% of the class getting an offer (or at least of the participants). So that's for the c/o 2013. (obviously not going to columbia but just using as example and reference point)
I know for Cornell the 80% figure has been tossed around here but is that official for the C/O 2013 offer rate at OCI last year or is that rumor/gossip? Also is there any breakdown by V10, V20 V50 etc? If you want to stay anonymous you can PM me
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Why the hell would you write a political statement? Write some bullshit about something that makes you different and be done with it. Do the statement cause it's stupid to miss out on the point it gives you in the composite score, but don't be an asshole in it. Jesus, only law students need to be told these things.msblaw89 wrote:If the members Of LR are primarily liberal, and you are conservative, would writing a do resort statement on political views put you at a disadvantage? Maybe it depends on who reads it?KMaine wrote:From the bylaws:
1. The minimum number of second year students to be afforded associate status through the writing/editing competition shall be 20 percent of those completing the competition or 12, whichever is less. A higher percentage may be selected if a larger number of competitors have demonstrated superior ability.
It looks like it will be 12 (a little less than 1/3 of the total LR) unless fewer than 60 people take part in the writing competition.
In terms of the diversity statement (I was on the Committee last year), it varies from year to year. Often people are given some points if their "diversity" is not racial diversity. I think it is a mistake not to write one. There must be something that makes you different from your classmates.
And this year we had something like 43 associates if I remember correctly. I think 16 grade on, then there's some number of the highest writing competition scores that get on and the rest are grades, write on, and personal statement composites.
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We did fine. I would bet that it wasn't 80% but it was good placement all around. There's no breakdowns cause that's just silly. If you're that curious go look through firm websites and see where they hire from. Cornell hasn't told our class how we did but it wasn't at all like the 2011 NALP numbers so I wouldn't worry about it.msblaw89 wrote:Would like to know this as wellMr. Somebody wrote:I apologize for asking ANOTHER placement question (but the 2011 #'s still have me scared so I want to make sure I'm making the right decision here). And this will probably be the last one
Its been discussed in other threads that Columbia did really well at OCI last year with 78% of the class getting an offer (or at least of the participants). So that's for the c/o 2013. (obviously not going to columbia but just using as example and reference point)
I know for Cornell the 80% figure has been tossed around here but is that official for the C/O 2013 offer rate at OCI last year or is that rumor/gossip? Also is there any breakdown by V10, V20 V50 etc? If you want to stay anonymous you can PM me
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Jeez...I'm not trying to be an asshole. It was an honest question. If many of the LR members are liberal I was thinking it might be worthwhile to discuss how you can bring a conservative perspective to some of the notes to reach a wider audience.mths wrote:Why the hell would you write a political statement? Write some bullshit about something that makes you different and be done with it. Do the statement cause it's stupid to miss out on the point it gives you in the composite score, but don't be an asshole in it. Jesus, only law students need to be told these things.msblaw89 wrote:If the members Of LR are primarily liberal, and you are conservative, would writing a do resort statement on political views put you at a disadvantage? Maybe it depends on who reads it?KMaine wrote:From the bylaws:
1. The minimum number of second year students to be afforded associate status through the writing/editing competition shall be 20 percent of those completing the competition or 12, whichever is less. A higher percentage may be selected if a larger number of competitors have demonstrated superior ability.
It looks like it will be 12 (a little less than 1/3 of the total LR) unless fewer than 60 people take part in the writing competition.
In terms of the diversity statement (I was on the Committee last year), it varies from year to year. Often people are given some points if their "diversity" is not racial diversity. I think it is a mistake not to write one. There must be something that makes you different from your classmates.
And this year we had something like 43 associates if I remember correctly. I think 16 grade on, then there's some number of the highest writing competition scores that get on and the rest are grades, write on, and personal statement composites.
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smhmsblaw89 wrote: Jeez...I'm not trying to be an asshole. It was an honest question. If many of the LR members are liberal I was thinking it might be worthwhile to discuss how you can bring a conservative perspective to some of the notes to reach a wider audience.
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Upshot: They're shaping up to bring more fun to the listserv than we delivered. I know we're a disappointment in that regard.mths wrote:smhmsblaw89 wrote: Jeez...I'm not trying to be an asshole. It was an honest question. If many of the LR members are liberal I was thinking it might be worthwhile to discuss how you can bring a conservative perspective to some of the notes to reach a wider audience.
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smh? Not following...and I am not sure if I am supposed to or notArbiter213 wrote:Upshot: They're shaping up to bring more fun to the listserv than we delivered. I know we're a disappointment in that regard.mths wrote:smhmsblaw89 wrote: Jeez...I'm not trying to be an asshole. It was an honest question. If many of the LR members are liberal I was thinking it might be worthwhile to discuss how you can bring a conservative perspective to some of the notes to reach a wider audience.
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3L will be the year I finally figure out how to unsubscribe to that shit.Arbiter213 wrote:Upshot: They're shaping up to bring more fun to the listserv than we delivered. I know we're a disappointment in that regard.mths wrote:smhmsblaw89 wrote: Jeez...I'm not trying to be an asshole. It was an honest question. If many of the LR members are liberal I was thinking it might be worthwhile to discuss how you can bring a conservative perspective to some of the notes to reach a wider audience.
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Did you not get the email about how to mute conversations?mths wrote:3L will be the year I finally figure out how to unsubscribe to that shit.Arbiter213 wrote:Upshot: They're shaping up to bring more fun to the listserv than we delivered. I know we're a disappointment in that regard.mths wrote:smhmsblaw89 wrote: Jeez...I'm not trying to be an asshole. It was an honest question. If many of the LR members are liberal I was thinking it might be worthwhile to discuss how you can bring a conservative perspective to some of the notes to reach a wider audience.
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http://www.it.cornell.edu/cms/services/ ... /leave.cfm It worksmths wrote:3L will be the year I finally figure out how to unsubscribe to that shit.Arbiter213 wrote:Upshot: They're shaping up to bring more fun to the listserv than we delivered. I know we're a disappointment in that regard.mths wrote:smhmsblaw89 wrote: Jeez...I'm not trying to be an asshole. It was an honest question. If many of the LR members are liberal I was thinking it might be worthwhile to discuss how you can bring a conservative perspective to some of the notes to reach a wider audience.
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"I think I would be an excellent candidate for the law review because I voted for Romney."
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Alright, alright. I Meant something more substantial than that, but I get it.... No politicsvexion wrote:"I think I would be an excellent candidate for the law review because I voted for Romney."
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Writing a statement about how being conservative makes you diverse, or gives you a diverse perspective about law, is a really stupid idea because it shows that you don't know what law reviews do.msblaw89 wrote:Alright, alright. I Meant something more substantial than that, but I get it.... No politicsvexion wrote:"I think I would be an excellent candidate for the law review because I voted for Romney."
Although the criteria for the diversity statement has changed slightly this year, I'll share the advice that was given to me by the then Notes Editor and Managing Editor when I proposed to write a statement about my racial background:
Don't write some checkbox diversity essay that makes you seem like you have a unique perspective, because at the end of the day it will come of cliche and everyone else does that. Instead, write an essay about why you are the type of person that we would want to work with for the next year. Because when it comes down to choosing between the last few students that have minuscule differences between their GPAs and writing scores, what we really want to know is 'Is this someone who will take their editing assignments seriously, who has a skill-set that the journal can benefit from, and will be able to step up into a leadership role in less than a year.'
That was the best advice I got, and I wrote my statement accordingly and composited on to Law Review. While I can't say that the same thing will apply this year, take the time and go talk to the ME, SNE, and EIC and find out what they're looking for in the statement. They're all incredibly approachable people, and as long as you come off earnestly (and not like a conceited douche bag) you're likely to get some useful info.
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