law schools rising and falling Forum

[Clearly]

I disagree with any critique of CUNY law. CUNY is exact what we need in this world. Not every school can be HYS, but we need Public Interest Lawyers, however because schools are run like profitable businesses they have to hype themselves to command 50k a year, so people get ripped off and are underemployed. CUNY doesn't claim biglaw placement, CUNY doesn't inflate its salary estimates, and CUNY charges 12k a YEAR in tuition. Lumping it in with st johns and hofstra is absurd. Some people want to be PD's and local DA's and CUNY lets them do that affordably.

[Clearly]

I think OP just wants a light hearted speculation. The rankings aren't the end-all. We get it.

ding ding ding! haha! Seriously though, what's with all the straw men on TLS? People are always super-aggressively shooting down shit that NO ONE said.

Anyways, to the actual topic, one of the obvious things to note is that the higher up in the rankings, the slower the movement is. One school can rise 25 spots in a single year when it's around 100, but it can't do that if it's in the top 50. So the higher up we go, the more significant a couple spots can be. And here are a few changes I think we might see in the next ten years - not predicting them, but I think they're likely enough to be worth noting:

Texas will move up one or two spots. Over the last few years its admissions figures have been very stable, with their median LSAT (from 2010 to 2014) staying the same and gpa dropping 0.03. Georgetown, on the other hand, has had its median LSAT drop 3pts, and its 25th drop 5 over the same period (UT's 25th dropped 1pt). So you've got admissions figures falling pretty quickly at Georgetown, while UT's stay roughly the same and (I think) will rise very, very slowly but still rise over the next ten years. Addtionally, on the jobs figures, UT has seen some pretty strong improvement, especially in its biglaw figures.

One thing that I think people largely forget, fairly since it has almost no effect in the T14, is that most of a law school's performance (out of all of them - again, this is less true of T14) is based on its region. For example, ASU recently shot up - they were 55 in 2010, and they're now 26. Some of this is due to their school funded jobs artificially boosting the rankings, but much more of it has to do with region - they're the only law school in their city, a large and fast growing city, and the only other significant law school in the state is Arizona - which is lower ranked and produces far fewer graduates. With the other TTTT in the state dropping off and likely to close down soon, ASU has a pretty decent lock on a fast growing area. This, I think, is a large part of why UT will continue to improve its position and will knock Georgetown off within the next ten years. It's by no means guaranteed to happen, and I wouldn't be money on it, but I think there's a pretty good chance of that - and what a shakeup that would be. When is the last time the T14 was occupied by a school that isn't currently in the T14?

Additionally I think we may see UNC and Colorado move up the rankings for roughly the same reason - not huge jumps or anything, but I think they'll move up in the next few years.

Texas tied GULC for 14 in 2011. But, please stop with this whole thing, especially the ASU talk...no one here cares about USNWR outside T14.

[Troianii]

But, please stop with this whole thing, especially the ASU talk...no one here cares about USNWR outside T14.

So essentially you read a thread title knowing you wouldn't be interested, then you came in and complained about a thread being created which you're not interested in. Here's what you should have done.

[A. Nony Mouse]

I don't think people in Arizona are changing their opinions about the respective schools based on a few changes in USNWR rank resulting from gaming the rankings. When I was applying (not that long ago) U of A was higher ranked than ASU. No one (besides ASU's PR people) cares that ASU moved up. Maybe ASU bought a few higher GPAs/LSATs. It's not going to change how people think of the school because no one who's not applying to law school (or working at one) pays attention to whether ASU is 26 or 32 or 40 or whatever.

USNWR also seems to tend to shuffle a few schools every now and then throughout the 30s-40s, I think so they can pretend their rankings measure something.

And it's not that Clearly isn't interested. It's that it really doesn't matter. You can argue over whether a butterfly's going to land on one flower or the other, but it seems kind of pointless.

[Clearly]

But, please stop with this whole thing, especially the ASU talk...no one here cares about USNWR outside T14.

So essentially you read a thread title knowing you wouldn't be interested, then you came in and complained about a thread being created which you're not interested in. Here's what you should have done.

For someone who has so much fun throwing strawman accusations at people on here, its funny how you completely ignored the part of my post where I provided not-easily-found historical information to answer one of your speculations. Also I'm glad I clicked this thread to help someone differentiate CUNY from other shit schools.

[Troianii]

But, please stop with this whole thing, especially the ASU talk...no one here cares about USNWR outside T14.

So essentially you read a thread title knowing you wouldn't be interested, then you came in and complained about a thread being created which you're not interested in. Here's what you should have done.

For someone who has so much fun throwing strawman accusations at people on here, its funny how you completely ignored the part of my post where I provided not-easily-found historical information to answer one of your speculations. Also I'm glad I clicked this thread to help someone differentiate CUNY from other shit schools.

no one here cares about

CUNY

Don't see me going around telling people to stfu about CUNY. I could have noted that the differentiation is largely moot, with 24% of its grads unemployed and nearly 2/5 underemployed, but I didn't - because I'm not really that interested. I could give my two cents and say that its still great that there is a law school with a focus on public interest that people can afford to pay for with a part-time job, but it's just something I wasn't interested in.

[Clearly]

But, please stop with this whole thing, especially the ASU talk...no one here cares about USNWR outside T14.

So essentially you read a thread title knowing you wouldn't be interested, then you came in and complained about a thread being created which you're not interested in. Here's what you should have done.

For someone who has so much fun throwing strawman accusations at people on here, its funny how you completely ignored the part of my post where I provided not-easily-found historical information to answer one of your speculations. Also I'm glad I clicked this thread to help someone differentiate CUNY from other shit schools.

no one here cares about

CUNY

See earlier post asking for Cuny rank, and reply categorizing it with shitty schools.

[lymenheimer]

most of a law school's performance is based on its region.

Additionally I think we may see UNC move up the rankings for roughly the same reason - not huge jumps or anything, but I think they'll move up in the next few years.

This just in: UNC best law school performance in the region.

[General_Tso]

Time to find some new hobbies troyanni

This one sucks/is pointless

[Nomo]

I disagree with any critique of CUNY law. CUNY is exact what we need in this world. Not every school can be HYS, but we need public interest lawyers, however because schools are run like profitable businesses they have to hype themselves to command 50k a year, so people get ripped off and are underemployed. CUNY doesn't claim biglaw placement, CUNY doesn't inflate its salary estimates, and CUNY charges 12k a YEAR in tuition. Lumping it in with st johns and hofstra is absurd. Some people want to be PD's and local DA's and CUNY lets them do that affordably.

We don't need more schools like CUNY. What we need is for CUNY to get some respectable employment numbers. Or in the alternative, we need schools with respectable employment numbers to start pricing themselves more like CUNY.

[pancakes3]

Time to find some new hobbies troyanni

like studying for the LSATs

[Troianii]

Time to find some new hobbies troyanni

This one sucks/is pointless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ

[JonTheMandamus]

Removed

[ihenry]

Time to find some new hobbies troyanni

This one sucks/is pointless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ

Haha