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0L here with a full scholarship. Would like to know how well I should do to be able to get a job at OCI that pays. I have no relevant work experience, I have only worked as a telemarketer. What is the lowest rank where I stand a good chance of getting an offer

Your likely not going to get a paying job through Seton Hall's OCI. looks like 95% of students don't land big law - you might be able to work for a smaller firm that pays you 15$/hour.

fratstar1 wrote:Your likely not going to get a paying job through Seton Hall's OCI. looks like 95% of students don't land big law - you might be able to work for a smaller firm that pays you 15$/hour.

Dick

are you kidding bro? Im at Boston College and my friends who didnt get big law work at firms making 15-17 an hour. Fuck you for thinking I'm trying to rag on anyone.

thomch05 wrote:

fratstar1 wrote:Your likely not going to get a paying job through Seton Hall's OCI. looks like 95% of students don't land big law - you might be able to work for a smaller firm that pays you 15$/hour.

Dick

This is actually closer to the truth than you may realize. OP, will you be living at home during school or will you be racking up living expenses? It seems like Seton Hall places less than 3/4ths of their students into Full-Time, Long Term (aka, longer than one year) employment where bar passage is required. Even with a full ride, if you're taking out cost of living loanss, that's $22,000 a year in loans (with interest) + lost opportunity costs for less than a 3/4 chance of a decent outcome (if a $50k a year job with $70k in debt is a "decent outcome").

If you are living at home, go ahead if you want--but I don't know if there's any "safe" rank barring being #1 in the class at Seton Hall.

What class rank should I am for to get a gig paying $15/hr

runinthefront wrote:

thomch05 wrote:

fratstar1 wrote:Your likely not going to get a paying job through Seton Hall's OCI. looks like 95% of students don't land big law - you might be able to work for a smaller firm that pays you 15$/hour.

Dick

This is actually closer to the truth than you may realize. OP, will you be living at home during school or will you be racking up living expenses? It seems like Seton Hall places less than 3/4ths of their students into Full-Time, Long Term (aka, longer than one year) employment where bar passage is required. Even with a full ride, if you're taking out cost of living loanss, that's $22,000 a year in loans (with interest) + lost opportunity costs for less than a 3/4 chance of a decent outcome (if a $50k a year job with $70k in debt is a "decent outcome").

If you are living at home, go ahead if you want--but I don't know if there's any "safe" rank barring being #1 in the class at Seton Hall.

Im on ssi for disability so I don't have to worry about living expenses

For jobs that arent big law you should just aim to do as well as possible, minimize your debt and network in the practice area you want to be in. For smaller firms they will likely take a candidate who's demonstrated interest either by previously talking to them or having a relevant internship over a a couple of gpa points.

john1990 wrote:
Im on ssi for disability so I don't have to worry about living expenses

That's good to hear (not your disability--the fact that your living expenses will be covered) because it makes attending, at worst, three years of your life likely wasted if you don't end up with a decent job.

https://law.shu.edu/Admissions/upload/a ... duates.pdf

Here are the numbers. We can only speculate as to what class rank employers are looking for...but as you can see...wait. wait... is Seton Hall really placing 116 kids into state and locl clerkships??

OP I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a good chunk of those kids doing clerkships will be unable to secure a fulltime job after completion. I wouldn't go if I were you but, like I said, there's really no "safe" rank so just gun hard and hope to have a job when you graduate

NJ is weird though because of the way the clerkship system works alot of fresh grads snag these small court clerk jobs and then transition to a firm or government (usually ADA or PD).

fratstar1 wrote:NJ is weird though because of the way the clerkship system works alot of fresh grads snag these small court clerk jobs and then transition to a firm or government (usually ADA or PD).

What is "a lot"?

110/116 kids?
100/116?
83/116?
65/116 kids?

https://law.newark.rutgers.edu/files/Up ... ummary.pdf
RU-N has 65


https://camlaw.rutgers.edu/sites/camlaw ... -FINAL.pdf
RU-C has 98

I think its a pre-req for alot of other jobs in the NJ system I went to Rutgers undergrad and almost went to the law school and alot of attorneys I talked to practicing in Jersey explained how clerking is the jumping off point. tbh this is all anecdotal but I haven't heard of some weirdly large number of ex state clerks that couldn't find a job,(I feel like we would have heard about it given the 2-300 or so clerks coming out of NJ schools every year) although I certainly could be wrong.