Top Law Schools

NoBladesNoBows wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:Electrical Engineer.

This thread is exactly you trying to shade people who hate it as lazy people who have never been real adults. I thought the same way and then reality Penn State'd me real hard.

This is not the case at all and please don't presume to know my intentions. I clearly explained in the first post why I am asking this question (culture comparison) and it seriously has nothing to do with work ethic.

NoBladesNoBows wrote:Jesus I had no idea the can of worms that I was opening with this question. Please tone down the defensiveness, or if the question is really that unbearably offensive just move along. Hopefully I can get more useful answers by clarifying a few things.

1. I'm not some 0L that is convinced that biglaw is the be-all and end-all of law school. It soaks you in preftige and wealth and really the people that don't like it just can't handle the hours and are lazy, whiny KJDs. Please. I'm not that naive.

In reality I'm some 0L that is seriously considering law school and attorney career options. Biglaw is one of the most obvious considerations, and as of now if I have any feelings toward the idea of it they are hesitant skepticism. I'm not trying to "throw shade" on anyone that doesn't like biglaw because I personally have no positive feelings toward biglaw. I'm trying to understand the reasons that you don't like it from a frame of reference that allows me to better understand.

2. No, people that love their biglaw jobs do not have equally useful experiences. Jobs are jobs. Unless you're in a lucky 1% (that I'm not convinced even exists) you're not going to find something that you absolutely love and fulfills and makes you happy every day. Therefore I find the conglomeration of little reasons that makes a job satisfying much less useful than those horrible reasons that make you wake up and hate your life every morning. The negative feelings are much more intense, and therefore much more important to consider on an individual basis.

3. Trying to point out flaws in my logic is pointless and misguided if you do not understand what my logic is. I'm not looking for some statistically sound sample size from which to draw a conclusion about whether I think people that hate biglaw should be taken seriously or not. I am actively seeking anecdotal evidence about why people hate biglaw. The reason that prior work experience is relevant is because it makes it easier to compare to my own experiences.

Simple example: You say you hate biglaw because your career feels unstable as an associate. I think, "That's definitely not good, but at the same time anyone can get fired". Then I find out that your former work experience is at a tech startup and I think, "Wow that's already a very unstable work environment, so now I understand that being a biglaw associate is even more unstable than that".

This doesn't mean that I don't take you seriously if you don't have anything to compare it to, it just means that having something to evaluate it against makes it even more informative.

Seriously guys, defensiveness. Chill.

NoBladesNoBows wrote:

dood wrote:i was a pirate

How did the culture compare to that of biglaw?

NoBladesNoBows wrote:

dood wrote:i was a pirate

How did the culture compare to that of biglaw?

NoBladesNoBows wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:

NoBladesNoBows wrote:Jesus I had no idea the can of worms that I was opening with this question. Please tone down the defensiveness, or if the question is really that unbearably offensive just move along. Hopefully I can get more useful answers by clarifying a few things.

1. I'm not some 0L that is convinced that biglaw is the be-all and end-all of law school. It soaks you in preftige and wealth and really the people that don't like it just can't handle the hours and are lazy, whiny KJDs. Please. I'm not that naive.

In reality I'm some 0L that is seriously considering law school and attorney career options. Biglaw is one of the most obvious considerations, and as of now if I have any feelings toward the idea of it they are hesitant skepticism. I'm not trying to "throw shade" on anyone that doesn't like biglaw because I personally have no positive feelings toward biglaw. I'm trying to understand the reasons that you don't like it from a frame of reference that allows me to better understand.

2. No, people that love their biglaw jobs do not have equally useful experiences. Jobs are jobs. Unless you're in a lucky 1% (that I'm not convinced even exists) you're not going to find something that you absolutely love and fulfills and makes you happy every day. Therefore I find the conglomeration of little reasons that makes a job satisfying much less useful than those horrible reasons that make you wake up and hate your life every morning. The negative feelings are much more intense, and therefore much more important to consider on an individual basis.

3. Trying to point out flaws in my logic is pointless and misguided if you do not understand what my logic is. I'm not looking for some statistically sound sample size from which to draw a conclusion about whether I think people that hate biglaw should be taken seriously or not. I am actively seeking anecdotal evidence about why people hate biglaw. The reason that prior work experience is relevant is because it makes it easier to compare to my own experiences.

Simple example: You say you hate biglaw because your career feels unstable as an associate. I think, "That's definitely not good, but at the same time anyone can get fired". Then I find out that your former work experience is at a tech startup and I think, "Wow that's already a very unstable work environment, so now I understand that being a biglaw associate is even more unstable than that".

This doesn't mean that I don't take you seriously if you don't have anything to compare it to, it just means that having something to evaluate it against makes it even more informative.

Seriously guys, defensiveness. Chill.

HOW DARE YOU PRESUME TO UNDERSTAND MY MOTIVES

(two beats later)

(does exactly what we accuse you of)

Ok great thanks for your commentary.

Moving on, how did your life as an electrical engineer compare to that of a biglaw associate?

NoBladesNoBows wrote:Some days I feel like I'm in kindergarten.

NoBladesNoBows wrote:People are incapable of not using the word "leverage" in a sentence. We name process management strategies after Brazilian restaurants. There's something that is legitimately called a treasure chest. Some days I feel like I'm in kindergarten.

NoBladesNoBows wrote:Also, what are the little things that just drive you crazy? For example, I'm currently a Business Analyst in a Fortune 500. Pay is good and I like some of the work, but I have other major problems with it (obviously if I'm considering law school). But one little thing that just drives me fucking insane is all the jargon. Seriously some of the shit is so stupid. People are incapable of not using the word "leverage" in a sentence. We name process management strategies after Brazilian restaurants. There's something that is legitimately called a treasure chest. Some days I feel like I'm in kindergarten.

DELG wrote:Things that suck: nothing is ever done "well" it was just either flawless and error free or something was wrong.

You're never not on call.

There isn't much inconsequential, mindless work, and you have to track all your hours, so you don't get to have "off" days. Hope you work well with hangovers.

There is no work gatekeeper. No one wonders if it's possible for you to do all the work you have.