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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:29 pm
by unemployable
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Re: Engineer. Can't get job.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:30 pm
by xRON MEXiCOx
You still have plenty of time. Many employers don't hire people if they aren't immediately available.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:32 pm
by McAvoy
Ron Mexico wrote:You still have plenty of time. Many employers don't hire people if they aren't immediately available.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:32 pm
by fra
What kind of engineering are you studying?
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:34 pm
by patogordo
fra wrote:What kind of engineering are you studying?
inb4 systems
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:35 pm
by sideroxylon
(1) Do you actually want to be a lawyer? If no, don't go to law school.
(2) If you do want to be a lawyer, and do end up going to law school, maybe you should do some severe interview coaching. Maybe you should do that now and skip the law school thing.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:42 pm
by unemployable
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Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:45 pm
by xRON MEXiCOx
sideroxylon wrote:(1) Do you actually want to be a lawyer? If no, don't go to law school.
(2) If you do want to be a lawyer, and do end up going to law school, maybe you should do some severe interview coaching. Maybe you should do that now and skip the law school thing.
It's early October. I don't think it's panic time quite yet.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:48 pm
by unemployable
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Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:36 pm
by Desert Fox
If you can't get a job now, you won't be able to after law school.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:43 pm
by unemployable
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Re: Engineer. Can't get job.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:44 pm
by ManoftheHour
McAvoy wrote:Ron Mexico wrote:You still have plenty of time. Many employers don't hire people if they aren't immediately available.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:47 pm
by ManoftheHour
Anecdotal, but I know of four engineers from my graduating class that took time to find jobs.
One took over a year to find a job that paid $12 an hour. That was 3 years ago. He now makes $80,000. Got promoted several times at the same company. -Electrical
Another friend took a customer service job for two years and then ended up finding a really good "dream" engineering job (as he described it). I don't know how much he makes because I'm not as close to him and I don't ask because it's rude, but he seems to bedoing really well. -Not sure (told you we weren't close)
Third friend took two years to find a job too. -BME
Last one took a year and, as he described, over 100 apps. Makes $60,000. -BME
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:34 pm
by tier3
A friend of mine wanted a small law firm job, he went to interviews for six months but never got a call back. I asked him what he was doing. He was doing most of the stuff that most lawyers do; give text book answers to all the questions, yada yada, very dull and very boring. He answered questions about his education, experience, etcetera very cut and dry. He told me the interview process was very tense and there was a serious tone as much interviews are. I told him next time he gets an interview to scan the office quickly when entering upon the interview, without making it obvious. I told him to look for something that will catch the attention of the hiring lawyer and interest him. If there is a football team logo, a picture, a trophy something that the hiring lawyer could relate to.
My friend told me he had an interview, it was about a month after we had spoken. He told he went in and scanned the office. He saw a photo on the desk with a picture of him and what appeared to be his son holding a bass (fish). My friend did all the same things gave text book answers to all the questions, yada yada, very dull and very boring. He answered all the questions about his education, experience, etcetera very cut and dry. The hiring attorney even seemed bored with him. He said the hiring attorney probably seen a few applicants and we were probably all the same. The hiring attorney said to him "I see you do volunteer work" when looking at his resume. Still the hiring attorney was very bored he asked my friend "Do you do anything else? He said "I also go fresh water fishing in my free time." He said the hiring attorney's eyes lit up. The hiring attorney said "You do?" The hiring attorney then seemed like his best buddy. The hiring attorney said he goes bass fishing all the time. Showed him the picture on his desk, bragged about the fish his son caught etcetera. He followed my advice. If you make a connection with the hiring attorney your in. Scan the office and make a connection.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:39 pm
by McAvoy
gregjames post
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:34 pm
by A. Nony Mouse
tier3, don't give advice on things you don't know anything about.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:59 pm
by Hutz_and_Goodman
OP getting a JD because you can't get a job now is honestly a really bad option.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:04 pm
by pancakes3
OP, what's your LSAT/GPA?
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:21 pm
by prezidentv8
Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:OP getting a JD because you can't get a job now is honestly a really bad option.
Yeah you're really entering a world of pain bro.
Chill out on the law school thing, go work some random job and chill and try to figure it out as you go. If you have a good reason for going to law school after that, then research >> crush LSAT >> research more >> if it still seems like a good idea>proceed.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:32 pm
by unemployable
prezidentv8 wrote:Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:OP getting a JD because you can't get a job now is honestly a really bad option.
Yeah you're really entering a world of pain bro.
Chill out on the law school thing, go work some random job and chill and try to figure it out as you go. If you have a good reason for going to law school after that, then research >> crush LSAT >> research more >> if it still seems like a good idea>proceed.
I'm not trying to get a JD because I cant get a job. I think the title of my post is misleading.
I want to be a lawyer. I am applying to engineering jobs as a back up, in case I don't get a good scholarship/financial aid package, because I don't really want to pay sticker. If Im not happy with my scholarship offers this cycle, my plan is to find a job, retake the LSAT to bump it up a point or two, and reapply for more $.
The reason I posted was mainly to ask this: If I suck at job-getting now, is it likely that my low job-getting aptitude will leave me unemployed after law school (even if I went to Columbia or something and tried my hardest over the next few years to improve my job-getting skills)? Also, I wanted to know if not having killer social skills would be a major hurdle.
But again, people are insisting that it is quite early (which I suppose is true) so I'll wait till a couple months into 2015 to really start worrying.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:34 pm
by unemployable
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Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:39 pm
by Ramius
unemployable wrote:prezidentv8 wrote:Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:OP getting a JD because you can't get a job now is honestly a really bad option.
Yeah you're really entering a world of pain bro.
Chill out on the law school thing, go work some random job and chill and try to figure it out as you go. If you have a good reason for going to law school after that, then research >> crush LSAT >> research more >> if it still seems like a good idea>proceed.
I'm not trying to get a JD because I cant get a job. I think the title of my post is misleading.
I want to be a lawyer. I am applying to engineering jobs as a back up, in case I don't get a good scholarship/financial aid package, because I don't really want to pay sticker. If Im not happy with my scholarship offers this cycle, my plan is to find a job, retake the LSAT to bump it up a point or two, and reapply for more $.
The reason I posted was mainly to ask this: If I suck at job-getting now, is it likely that my low job-getting aptitude will leave me unemployed after law school (even if I went to Columbia or something and tried my hardest over the next few years to improve my job-getting skills)? Also, I wanted to know if not having killer social skills would be a major hurdle.
But again, people are insisting that it is quite early (which I suppose is true) so I'll wait till a couple months into 2015 to really start worrying.
Does your university have some sort of career services office? There must be some service available to you to work on interviewing, etc. to help you get a job in the event law school does not work out. Especially as a Summe, you should be pretty desirable as an entry level.
What have you been targeting? It could be that you're overshooting with goals in your engineering job, because let's be honest, you're only a B.S. You can't be picky in the job search, so you might want to consider broadening your search and seeing if anything comes up. Engineers generally are the most employable undergrads straight out of the gate, but you still have to take entry level jobs and work your way up.
Keep plugging and chugging, there is a lot of track left before your train is completely derailed.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:47 pm
by McAvoy
How do you know you want to be lawyer over whatever your engineering degree is? TCR would be to try out any other obvious (gainful) career paths before going the law route, for a variety of reasons. You're going to get some nice offers w/ those stats, but it's still ideal to get a least a year or two off first. Law school will always be there; your current career opportunities pry won't be there if you tried to revert after LS.
I don't know how hiring works for fresh engineering grads, but for most other common UG fields, you're in kind of a dead spot right now for hiring timelines. It's really far too early for you to get down on yourself or think you're a bad interviewer
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:56 pm
by Hutz_and_Goodman
unemployable wrote:pancakes3 wrote:OP, what's your LSAT/GPA?
173/3.86
plus or minus a point on the LSAT. and within plus or minus .04 on the GPA.
With your numbers and an engineering background you will be able to go to a very good law school with less than $150k maybe even less than $100k in debt. However, keep in mind that a majority of people end up disliking law--many intensely so. I actually like law a lot, but I say this bc spending the time and $ to get the degree only makes sense if this is a good profession for you.
Re: Engineer. Can't get job. Applied to Law School.
Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:01 am
by pancakes3
On one hand, it's only October of OP's senior year. There is so much time left for him to find a job. On the other hand, he crushed the LSAT (I'm assuming the 173 is a real score but the +/- condition makes me worried it's only a practice score) and has a good GPA and STEM degree which means IP Biglaw...
I think OP has better reasons to go into law than a lot of other people and it's not a bad decision by any means. Maybe not the best decision, but not a bad one...