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Would love to have a TLS resource for us 1Ls, and I assume any of those 0Ls with burning questions. Any resident GULCers?

I'll bite - GULC 2L. Maybe I can help answer some questions. Sup?

POA wrote:I'll bite - GULC 2L. Maybe I can help answer some questions. Sup?

At this point, looking for general beginning of the semester advice, maybe professor specific if applicable. Figured with such a big class size, there would be some interest in getting a general GULC thread going.

Ditto. Biggest thing I am struggling with right now is the 4 different on-line platforms we have to deal with. It is a hassle keeping them all straight. Any pro-tips for making that process less confusing?

Any tips for getting old outlines for your professors?

checking in Georgetown 2L

filibuster wrote:checking in Georgetown 2L

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TheSpanishMain wrote:Any tips for getting old outlines for your professors?

Is LRW curved?

Also:

TheSpanishMain wrote:Any tips for getting old outlines for your professors?

No GULC love?

Anyone take (or hear anything about) Brooks for Tax?

BmoreOrLess wrote:Is LRW curved?

Also:

TheSpanishMain wrote:Any tips for getting old outlines for your professors?

Current 2L

Yes, LRW is curved just like your other courses.

The SBA has an outline bank here: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/campus-li ... tions/sba/ caveat is that there is no guarantee about the quality but it's there to cross check your own work. I didn't really rely on it last year.

Happy to answer any other questions.

charliekelly33 wrote:Yes, LRW is curved just like your other courses.

Ya, figured that out last night. Another 2L said to not kill yourself over LRW because all the former paralegals will snag all of the A's. Credited?

BmoreOrLess wrote:

charliekelly33 wrote:Yes, LRW is curved just like your other courses.

Ya, figured that out last night. Another 2L said to not kill yourself over LRW because all the former paralegals will snag all of the A's. Credited?

I'm not sure about that -- I worked at a law firm and I didn't see any translation to LRW work. I wouldn't think too hard about LRW, your professor is going to want things done a certain way so stick to the formula and don't get creative. A novel argument works well on a substantive exam, but not in LRW.

charliekelly33 wrote:

BmoreOrLess wrote:

charliekelly33 wrote:Yes, LRW is curved just like your other courses.

Ya, figured that out last night. Another 2L said to not kill yourself over LRW because all the former paralegals will snag all of the A's. Credited?

I'm not sure about that -- I worked at a law firm and I didn't see any translation to LRW work. I wouldn't think too hard about LRW, your professor is going to want things done a certain way so stick to the formula and don't get creative. A novel argument works well on a substantive exam, but not in LRW.

Ditto. Your final LRW assignment should be more form than substance.

I'm a night student at GULC (Section 7). Happy to answer any general questions or specific Section 7 questions.

2L transfer to GULC. I realize my perspective is a bit different than that of people who have been at the school all of the way through, but also happy to answer questions.

doctoroflaw91 wrote:2L transfer to GULC. I realize my perspective is a bit different than that of people who have been at the school all of the way through, but also happy to answer questions.

From where did you transfer?

charliekelly33 wrote:
The SBA has an outline bank here: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/campus-li ... tions/sba/ caveat is that there is no guarantee about the quality but it's there to cross check your own work. I didn't really rely on it last year.

Happy to answer any other questions.

Bolded is my issue with the outline bank. Did you go about getting any outlines from upperclassmen?

JustHawkin wrote:

charliekelly33 wrote:
The SBA has an outline bank here: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/campus-li ... tions/sba/ caveat is that there is no guarantee about the quality but it's there to cross check your own work. I didn't really rely on it last year.

Happy to answer any other questions.

Bolded is my issue with the outline bank. Did you go about getting any outlines from upperclassmen?

Find an upperclassmen you trust that was in your section. I know my law fellow was a big help.

charliekelly33 wrote:Find an upperclassmen you trust that was in your section. I know my law fellow was a big help.

Ugh, none of our professors taught our section last year.

BmoreOrLess wrote:

charliekelly33 wrote:Find an upperclassmen you trust that was in your section. I know my law fellow was a big help.

Ugh, none of our professors taught our section (2) last year.

Same for §4...

2L here. Former Section 1, if anyone has any specific questions about that. Otherwise, gonna try and respond to everything I saw.

1) Don't sweat courseware v. twen v. canvas v. etc. You (generally) only use the platforms to download supplemental material. Make a post-it note reference or something for yourself. The appropriate platform for each class will likely be on your syllabus too, so if you're following that you'll always know where to look.

2) LRW. LRW is curved. Whoever told you that thing about paralegals is being silly. The goal of LRW is to learn a new structure and style of writing-- note, it is not about crafting the "best" legal position. So, some paralegals may have more familiarity with those things, but familiarity =/= competency. You learn by doing, so focus on the fundamentals. Manage your time intelligently, i.e. don't save all your research, writing, and revision work for the week before your assignment is due. Spread it out in the chunks that your class will naturally be organized in. As for writing, don't use more words where less will do. Don't be flashy (e.g. legal-ese) or clever where a plain statement will do. Revise, revise, revise, revise, and then revise again. What is the most succinct and complete statement of your point? Listen to your feedback (especially from your professor).

Moreover, most LRW professors are very generous with their grading curves. There are plenty of A's and A-'s to go around. It's also one of the most useful classes you'll take, so you shouldn't go in only for the grade. It's much better to work your ass off, grow as a writer, and get a B then to not try because someone else will get an A.

3) Outlines. SBA bank, upperclassmen, or student organization outline banks are your options. The school also gives you a lot of opportunities to meet people: law fellows, writing fellows, student organizations, Wednesday Wind Down, bar review, etc. The people you meet in more academic relationships are usually happy to give you outlines and point you to others. It's weird to ask for outlines from people you meet at, say, bar review, but many will offer before you have to ask. Otherwise, you can ask them later when you know them better. Plus, making upperclassman friends or contacts is a great pipeline to other information you'll want later, e.g. journal, EIW/OCI, and moot court/mock trial/ADR.

Pliny wrote:2L here. Former Section 1, if anyone has any specific questions about that. Otherwise, gonna try and respond to everything I saw.

1) Don't sweat courseware v. twen v. canvas v. etc. You (generally) only use the platforms to download supplemental material. Make a post-it note reference or something for yourself. The appropriate platform for each class will likely be on your syllabus too, so if you're following that you'll always know where to look.

2) LRW. LRW is curved. Whoever told you that thing about paralegals is being silly. The goal of LRW is to learn a new structure and style of writing-- note, it is not about crafting the "best" legal position. So, some paralegals may have more familiarity with those things, but familiarity =/= competency. You learn by doing, so focus on the fundamentals. Manage your time intelligently, i.e. don't save all your research, writing, and revision work for the week before your assignment is due. Spread it out in the chunks that your class will naturally be organized in. As for writing, don't use more words where less will do. Don't be flashy (e.g. legal-ese) or clever where a plain statement will do. Revise, revise, revise, revise, and then revise again. What is the most succinct and complete statement of your point? Listen to your feedback (especially from your professor).

Moreover, most LRW professors are very generous with their grading curves. There are plenty of A's and A-'s to go around. It's also one of the most useful classes you'll take, so you shouldn't go in only for the grade. It's much better to work your ass off, grow as a writer, and get a B then to not try because someone else will get an A.

3) Outlines. SBA bank, upperclassmen, or student organization outline banks are your options. The school also gives you a lot of opportunities to meet people: law fellows, writing fellows, student organizations, Wednesday Wind Down, bar review, etc. The people you meet in more academic relationships are usually happy to give you outlines and point you to others. It's weird to ask for outlines from people you meet at, say, bar review, but many will offer before you have to ask. Otherwise, you can ask them later when you know them better. Plus, making upperclassman friends or contacts is a great pipeline to other information you'll want later, e.g. journal, EIW/OCI, and moot court/mock trial/ADR.

Thanks!

Do you get grades back before the week-long class starts? Asking for a friend.

Anyone know who was dean of the law school before Judy Areen (her actual term as dean, not interim)?

BmoreOrLess wrote:Do you get grades back before the week-long class starts? Asking for a friend.

Nope. Assuming you mean first year grades, anyway.