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Does anyone regret or 100% think it was worth going to Fordham Law?

Yodamaster1990 wrote:Does anyone regret or 100% think it was worth going to Fordham Law?

There will be people in both camps, but many more who regret than are 100% Fordham cheerleaders. Looking for anecdotal evidence to validate your choice is silly, especially on this site. There are a lot of people who graduate from Fordham and get great outcomes. There are lots more who do not. Make your decision based upon the facts you see on LST, not on some testimony you might find of someone who won the Fordham lottery.

Fyi: I am going to Seton Hall starting next week so I'm not telling you what to do. Just that this question is useless and asking it here is really barking up the wrong tree.

All you're going to get is "retake" responses. If your goals can be achieved by going to to Fordham, I'd go for it but you're the only one who can answer that.

Also depends on the debt you're taking on. Fordham for free is a very different beast than Fordham at sticker.

It's not too late to withdraw and retake for another 5-10 points. It will open up T14 and more scholarship money.

It would be full tuition sticker price. At this point I want to either take Fordham or just stick to Finance and get my CFA (which is also a 3 year process but a hell of a lot easier than law school)

Yodamaster1990 wrote:It would be full tuition sticker price. At this point I want to either take Fordham or just stick to Finance and get my CFA (which is also a 3 year process but a hell of a lot easier than law school)

Don't got at sticker bro. If you want Fordham I'd retake and try to get a good scholly. Or just go for the CFA, chances of getting a decent job are a lot better. Are you working right now?

should-i-do-it wrote:

Yodamaster1990 wrote:It would be full tuition sticker price. At this point I want to either take Fordham or just stick to Finance and get my CFA (which is also a 3 year process but a hell of a lot easier than law school)

Don't got at sticker bro. If you want Fordham I'd retake and try to get a good scholly. Or just go for the CFA, chances of getting a decent job are a lot better. Are you working right now?

He makes $70K per year at a 40-hour a week job.

Paul Campos wrote:

should-i-do-it wrote:

Yodamaster1990 wrote:It would be full tuition sticker price. At this point I want to either take Fordham or just stick to Finance and get my CFA (which is also a 3 year process but a hell of a lot easier than law school)

Don't got at sticker bro. If you want Fordham I'd retake and try to get a good scholly. Or just go for the CFA, chances of getting a decent job are a lot better. Are you working right now?

He makes $70K per year at a 40-hour a week job.

Stick with the job bro, stick with the job

should-i-do-it wrote:

Paul Campos wrote:

should-i-do-it wrote:

Yodamaster1990 wrote:It would be full tuition sticker price. At this point I want to either take Fordham or just stick to Finance and get my CFA (which is also a 3 year process but a hell of a lot easier than law school)

Don't got at sticker bro. If you want Fordham I'd retake and try to get a good scholly. Or just go for the CFA, chances of getting a decent job are a lot better. Are you working right now?

He makes $70K per year at a 40-hour a week job.

Stick with the job bro, stick with the job

I'd have to second this. Most law grads are lucky to see $70k right out of school and they still have six figure debt. You got it made right now Broseph.

so what are you going to do op

How bad is it really out there? Besides the numbers can someone give me examples of what the non $160k/yr law jobs are like?

Yodamaster1990 wrote:How bad is it really out there? Besides the numbers can someone give me examples of what the non $160k/yr law jobs are like?

I don't mind earning $10-$15k less than what I do now if it's something I really care about and can grow in.

what makes you so sure that you won't be one of the four out of ten fordham grads who don't even get lt/ft/jd-required employment?

what if you join the legions of fordham grads in shitlaw (LinkRemoved)?
is that something you'd care about?
or grow into?

maybe i should let actual fordham grads speak for themselves

"It's really weird, but no one talks about jobs," says one student. Another takes a sip of his questionable concoction of bourbon and iced tea, and adds: "When you're stressing for months, searching for something that probably won't even pay, you feel pathetic. I don't want to know if the guy next to me has a job."

These three students -- two men and a woman, all in their twenties -- say they kept up their end of the bargain: They put in the hours and earned the high grades. "You're like, okay, I've got those grades, I've got a good shot," says Nick. (A pseudonym -- the students asked not to be identified, fearing the effect their quotes might have on future employment.)

Last fall, in the weeks leading up to the interviews, the students say, they began to get a "sense of impending doom," as Brian puts it. Every day, it seemed, they got e-mails from Fordham saying this firm wasn't coming or that firm would be hiring only a handful of students. An atmosphere of desperation developed. "It's like, 'I'll babysit your kids, I'll pick up your laundry, whatever it takes, just give me a job,' " says Brian.

Karen and her two friends all landed some interviews with top firms during OCI -- and even a few callbacks -- but no one was offered a job. Karen managed to get a summer position with a small firm in New York during a later interview process. Nick will be taking a $9-an-hour research position, and Brian is taking an unpaid internship with a California public defender's office.

and that's just from one article
there are hundreds (maybe thousands?) of more horror stories from fordham grads who didn't make it
here are a few more

I graduated from here in 2009. I went on a large scholarship and graduated summa. I was able to find a job, but that is only because of my standing. Most people in my class had a difficult time finding a job.

Horrible. Professors are elitist and condescending. Alumni do not care. I was here for three years and almost every second of every day felt like I was being spoken down to. Extremely high tuition. Horrible job prospects. The student body IS competitive, snobby, and unless you have connections it's really tough to get a job coming out of this place, especially in this economy.

I am a 3L at Fordham with zero prospects in sight.

DO NOT GO TO FORDHAM.

Only those on Law Review or did really well in Moot Court have a big law gig.

Some smart folks with great GPA's did not land a big law gig with over 200k in debt.

The icing on the cake is that it's hard to find ANY legal job. Fordham offers NO advantage as compared to Cardozo, Bklyn etc. While Fordham might place more Big law folks (says 20%-30% versus 10% at those schools), out side of big law Fordham is not seen as "better." The Rankings only matter for big law.

and how about from a certain megaposter right here on tls
who hit median and still struck out
and has reported about the legions of his peers who are unemployed or working non-legal jobs
what does he have to say about fordham law "school"?

Fordham is a "trap school". Avoid.

op, what can we do to prevent you from ruining your life

One of those quotes is from 2012. The aftermath of the recession. Things might get better (as they have been doing) since then.

fordham employment has gone up six tenths of one percent from 2012
fordham underemployment dropped three tenths of one percent between 2012 and 2013

biglaw hiring will not return to pre-recession levels when fordham could be argued to be a good investment
there are too many schools feeding into the nyc market
like i said in the other thread, i wouldn't go for free

can't live your life for you
but from my own experience --
before i did my due diligence, fordham was one of my top picks, perhaps my very top pick
all the lawyers i knew thought fordham would be a great idea, in fact, maybe a reach school i should ED to
they weren't being malicious, they just graduated in a different era in which fordham was a different school
thankfully i did my homework, decided not to go that route, and ended up with a very good outcome given my 3.4 gpa (and you could do much better than i did)

you have all the information you need to make the right call
and i know there are some logistical/emotional encumbrances that might make doing the right thing difficult
maybe you're already set up in an apartment, bought some books, etc
there's the excitement of starting a new chapter in your life
you don't want to potentially disappoint family/friends/co-workers
and, for some reason, you seem to be ls this fall or bust
but whatever temporary pain you may experience in the next month or so after withdrawing will be nothing compared to what will occur if you graduate jobless with fordham sticker hanging over your head
and no matter how intelligent you are or how much you have succeeded in the past, that is a very, very real possibility

Brut wrote:1) only 63.4% of last year's grads found full-time long-term legal jobs nine months after graduation
2) 26.6% of the class was temping, part-time, working non-professional jobs, or completely unemployed
3) fordham keeps its unemployment rate artificially low - 1 out of every 7 employed grads is hired by the school (this includes non-professional work)
4) fordham has dropped in every measure of student selectivity each year for the last three years, despite slashing class sizes
5) the debt-financed cost of attendance at fordham law is $295,466 at repayment

withdraw immediately

Ok let's say I keep studying for the LSAT. where did you go for law school Brut and was that worth it?

You'll find more Fordham law grads at dss than on tls

Clearly wrote:You'll find more Fordham law grads at dss than on tls

What's dss

I liked Fordham.

well, you have a 3.9 gpa
let's say you keep your current job for the time being and retake at some point in the future
with a 170 i bet you'd get a couple of ccn with $, some lower t14s with $$/$$$
with a 172 you'll be competitive at hys, looking good for $$ at ccn, and $$$ from lower t14

to answer your question
entering law school now, ccn w/ $$, no idea if this will be worth it in the long run
in fact, i've been debating whether to attend ever since i got in 8 months ago
so i sympathize with how you're feeling right now
ultimately, on balance, after considering my specific situation in its entirety and doing my hw, i decided the risk was acceptable for me
not saying that you or anyone else should necessarily do the same
it sounds like you have strong career prospects outside of law
and if you do decide to attend and do well on the lsat, you'll probably have far more options than i did in terms of $$/$$$ (bc of the 3.9)

Clearly wrote:You'll find more Fordham law grads at dss than on tls

lold

clearly you stole my joke

So about these acronyms. I know ccn is Columbia, Chicago, or NYU. But what is this other forum besides tls? Dss? Google is not helping

Yodamaster1990 wrote:So about these acronyms. I know ccn is Columbia, Chicago, or NYU. But what is this other forum besides tls? Dss? Google is not helping

Dept of social services lulz