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How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:00 pm
by justcause6
Assuming non IBD/MBB/PE office job, how much does it actually help in OCI? I've been hearing grades are all that matters, would a law student clarify on this?

thanks.

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:33 pm
by guano
The general gist I got is that it gives you a leg up against someone with similar grades, but that's it. Grades are still king.

A stellar resume leveraged correctly can give you a leg up. For example, if you're an astronaut, try to network/massmail the head of the spacelaw practice group. If you impress them, they'll send your resume to HR, meaning you're at the top of the pile, rather than the bottom (more likely to be preselect for OCI, or to get a screener). After that, you're on your own

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:43 pm
by bearsfan23
It can't hurt you, but I think the amount the it matters really depends on exactly what your work experience is and who you're interviewing with.

For the interviews I've had, 90% of the time has been spent talking about my pre-LS work, but I don't think this would be the case if I hadn't done something pretty unique.

Its probably not going to matter if a firm has a strict GPA cutoff, but it can definitely help you get a job

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:14 pm
by jbagelboy
My 1L SA would never have happened without my pre-LS work experience. Now that I've worked at a firm, come OCI in august I doubt many people will look to my time in management consulting. Still, it's been very helpful generally and I certainly recommend some work experience before pursuing a JD to anyone.

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:30 pm
by DELG
jbagelboy wrote:My 1L SA would never have happened without my pre-LS work experience. Now that I've worked at a firm, come OCI in august I doubt many people will look to my time in management consulting. Still, it's been very helpful generally and I certainly recommend some work experience before pursuing a JD to anyone.
Uh no your full time experience will still matter

WE is huge it absolutely can be more valuable than grades depending on what the WE is

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:37 pm
by rayiner
IBD or MBB is a big deal, but you have to pitch it right. Corporate groups in NYC will care a lot more about it than lit groups in DC.

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:15 pm
by justcause6
rayiner wrote:IBD or MBB is a big deal, but you have to pitch it right. Corporate groups in NYC will care a lot more about it than lit groups in DC.
what if WE wasn't in IBD or MBB but in a normal office job with leadership and managerial experience?

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:31 pm
by Pragmatic Gun
justcause6 wrote:
rayiner wrote:IBD or MBB is a big deal, but you have to pitch it right. Corporate groups in NYC will care a lot more about it than lit groups in DC.
what if WE wasn't in IBD or MBB but in a normal office job with leadership and managerial experience?
I'm curious too about this. It would be helpful to know.

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:32 pm
by Holly Golightly
justcause6 wrote:
rayiner wrote:IBD or MBB is a big deal, but you have to pitch it right. Corporate groups in NYC will care a lot more about it than lit groups in DC.
what if WE wasn't in IBD or MBB but in a normal office job with leadership and managerial experience?
It can definitely help depending on the job. I recently had an interview for a job I am definitely under qualified for, and they spent a lot of time asking me about my paralegal experience.

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:36 pm
by DELG
justcause6 wrote:
rayiner wrote:IBD or MBB is a big deal, but you have to pitch it right. Corporate groups in NYC will care a lot more about it than lit groups in DC.
what if WE wasn't in IBD or MBB but in a normal office job with leadership and managerial experience?
It is, of course, all about how you spin it

I know of people with unprestigious WE that they were able to spin as relevant who punched above their weight when it comes to recruiting

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:16 pm
by Arij.Syed
This may be a dumb question but what does IBD and MBB stand for. I am starting law school this fall straight out of undergradI have been lucky enough to have been working at a small firm for 3 years. Will this help me during OCI, or will it not matter since it was a relatively small firm. The Senior partner at the firm I work at, used to work at Skadden, and Polk, Caldawader, and Taft. Will her recommendation with me a leg up for these firms?

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:24 pm
by Mullens
Arij.Syed wrote:This may be a dumb question but what does IBD and MBB stand for. I am starting law school this fall straight out of undergradI have been lucky enough to have been working at a small firm for 3 years. Will this help me during OCI, or will it not matter since it was a relatively small firm. The Senior partner at the firm I work at, used to work at Skadden, and Polk, Caldawader, and Taft. Will her recommendation with me a leg up for these firms?
IBD is "Investment Banking Division" i.e. investment banking. MBB is shorthand for McKinsey, Bain, and Boston Consulting firms i.e. elite consulting.

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:52 pm
by jbagelboy
Arij.Syed wrote:This may be a dumb question but what does IBD and MBB stand for. I am starting law school this fall straight out of undergradI have been lucky enough to have been working at a small firm for 3 years. Will this help me during OCI, or will it not matter since it was a relatively small firm. The Senior partner at the firm I work at, used to work at Skadden, and Polk, Caldawader, and Taft. Will her recommendation with me a leg up for these firms?
Whoa wtf you just named three different firms. Skadden Arps is one firm, Davis Polk is another, and Cadwalader is a third. You seem pretty out of the loop. Maybe take some time off?

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:48 pm
by Arij.Syed
sorry I meant Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft.

Re: How much does WE actually help?

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:57 pm
by jbagelboy
Arij.Syed wrote:sorry I meant Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft.
Its fine it was a joke lol