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How much do biglaw SAs make, on average?

theycallmefoes wrote:How much do biglaw SAs make, on average?

~3100/week in major markets.

ph14 wrote:

theycallmefoes wrote:How much do biglaw SAs make, on average?

~3100/week in major markets.

Ahem. Wow. Is STL considered a major market? I know there are a few firms - Husch Blackwell, Bryan Cave, Thompson Coburn...

Law firm salary info is super public, start searching around.

thesealocust wrote:Law firm salary info is super public, start searching around.

Yeah go to NALP's website. They list almost every major firm in most large cities. With that said, no StL isn't 160. Most of their big law starts at 110-120.

160k markets are NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, SF, LA, and a good number of firms in Dallas and Houston are going to 160 now.

NYC TO 190!!!!!!!!

Mal Reynolds wrote:NYC TO 190!!!!!!!!

Forreal?

Gary wrote:

Mal Reynolds wrote:NYC TO 190!!!!!!!!

Forreal?

No. It's a joke/meme.

ph14 wrote:

Gary wrote:

Mal Reynolds wrote:NYC TO 190!!!!!!!!

Forreal?

No. It's a joke/meme.

stop being a naysayer this could be the year

ph14 wrote:

Gary wrote:

Mal Reynolds wrote:NYC TO 190!!!!!!!!

Forreal?

No. It's a joke/meme.

You just had to bring reality into this...

What accounts for the differences between firms in NYC? Its small but I'm curious. Some are 3077 and others are 3100

westphillybandr wrote:What accounts for the differences between firms in NYC? Its small but I'm curious. Some are 3077 and others are 3100

They take a dollar off for every rank below the top ten vault firms.

westphillybandr wrote:What accounts for the differences between firms in NYC? Its small but I'm curious. Some are 3077 and others are 3100

Based on what I've heard, health insurance and other benefits.

I remember talking to an atty who was paid slightly below market in NYC but said his comp from other sources and (benefits) pretty much evened it out.

Who makes the random 200-205k salaries starting out? I hear that they exist, but I don't have a sense who gets 'em.

Glasseyes wrote:Who makes the random 200-205k salaries starting out? I hear that they exist, but I don't have a sense who gets 'em.

There are a handful of firms that pay more than the market rate of 160k. Williams & Connolly pays 180k starting salaries for first years, but no bonuses, IIRC. Other boutiques also pay 180k starting salaries ( Wachtell, Susman, Boies, etc. may pay above market bonuses.

People who land these firms go to the top schools and have top grades, for the most part.

ph14 wrote:

Glasseyes wrote:Who makes the random 200-205k salaries starting out? I hear that they exist, but I don't have a sense who gets 'em.

There are a handful of firms that pay more than the market rate of 160k. Williams & Connolly pays 180k starting salaries for first years, but no bonuses, IIRC. Other boutiques also pay 180k starting salaries ( Wachtell, Susman, Boies, etc. may pay above market bonuses.

People who land these firms go to the top schools and have top grades, for the most part.

Don't some top-end patent people start higher, too?

kalvano wrote:

ph14 wrote:

Glasseyes wrote:Who makes the random 200-205k salaries starting out? I hear that they exist, but I don't have a sense who gets 'em.

There are a handful of firms that pay more than the market rate of 160k. Williams & Connolly pays 180k starting salaries for first years, but no bonuses, IIRC. Other boutiques also pay 180k starting salaries ( Wachtell, Susman, Boies, etc. may pay above market bonuses.

People who land these firms go to the top schools and have top grades, for the most part.

Don't some top-end patent people start higher, too?

Yes. For example.

kalvano wrote:

ph14 wrote:

Glasseyes wrote:Who makes the random 200-205k salaries starting out? I hear that they exist, but I don't have a sense who gets 'em.

There are a handful of firms that pay more than the market rate of 160k. Williams & Connolly pays 180k starting salaries for first years, but no bonuses, IIRC. Other boutiques also pay 180k starting salaries ( Wachtell, Susman, Boies, etc. may pay above market bonuses.

People who land these firms go to the top schools and have top grades, for the most part.

Don't some top-end patent people start higher, too?

Yes, I believe so (e.g., Dovel & Luner). I wasn't intending to be exhaustive in my original post.

if you're asking about average. BL/Big Metro is pretty much lock-step at $160. The average pay of BL in secondary markets is probably in the one-twenties because COL is definitely less. We’ve all seen those COL calculators where you earn 30% less and still can afford more (mostly because of housing), especially in parts of the south.

Mal Reynolds wrote:

westphillybandr wrote:What accounts for the differences between firms in NYC? Its small but I'm curious. Some are 3077 and others are 3100

They take a dollar off for every rank below the top ten vault firms.

This was hilarious. Thanks for sharing.

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ph14 wrote:

Glasseyes wrote:Who makes the random 200-205k salaries starting out? I hear that they exist, but I don't have a sense who gets 'em.

There are a handful of firms that pay more than the market rate of 160k. Williams & Connolly pays 180k starting salaries for first years, but no bonuses, IIRC. Other boutiques also pay 180k starting salaries ( Wachtell, Susman, Boies, etc. may pay above market bonuses.

People who land these firms go to the top schools and have top grades, for the most part.

Wachtell pays 165. I don't think the other two pay quite 180 either (for base).

IAFG wrote:

ph14 wrote:

Glasseyes wrote:Who makes the random 200-205k salaries starting out? I hear that they exist, but I don't have a sense who gets 'em.

There are a handful of firms that pay more than the market rate of 160k. Williams & Connolly pays 180k starting salaries for first years, but no bonuses, IIRC. Other boutiques also pay 180k starting salaries ( Wachtell, Susman, Boies, etc. may pay above market bonuses.

People who land these firms go to the top schools and have top grades, for the most part.

Wachtell pays 165. I don't think the other two pay quite 180 either (for base).

Should've put those in separate sentences. I meant that other boutiques may pay above market (e.g. Dovel, Bickel) and that other big law firms generally pay market but above market bonuses.

Regulus wrote:

ph14 wrote:Yes, I believe so (e.g., Dovel & Luner). I wasn't intending to be exhaustive in my original post.

Wait, what the fuck? Is that for real? A bonus that is 3x what the average biglaw 1st year associate is making in 2012?!?

Edit: Never mind... 8 people work there; I didn't realize this was a boutique among boutiques.

Its a plaintiffs firm.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/10/the-160k ... -salaries/

Notable: Bickel & Brewer, litigation boutique in Dallas and NYC, pays first-years $185,000 (or $1 for each hour you're in the office).

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/12/associat ... -partners/

Susman crushes with the bonuses. Basically have to have COA clerkship to get an interview there though