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http://www.nalp.org/2012_associate_salaries

If this information is accurate, why is anyone worried unless they're paying sticker? I don't know about you guys, but 70k/yr with the debt I'm going to have is a pretty good deal.

And what, pray tell, is your "debt"?

1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.

lukertin wrote:And what, pray tell, is your "debt"?

70k including UG.

SC vanilla is way better than BW btw.

in order for any of that information to be relevant, you have to have a firm job. How many people do you get firm jobs?

hichvichwoh wrote:How many people do you get firm jobs?

hichvichwoh wrote:How many people do you?

Has anyone ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.

60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck. Maybe you could lateral to another firm at some point?

Dood, almost 20% of the people who graduate from your school don't even get a job after 9 months. Looking at average salaries is putting the cart way before the horse.

anacharsis wrote:

rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.

60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck.

Would you like to address point #1?

bk1 wrote:Dood, almost 20% of the people who graduate from your school don't even get a job after 9 months. Looking at average salaries is putting the cart way before the horse.

I don't go to Illinois.

rinkrat19 wrote:

anacharsis wrote:

rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.

60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck.

Would you like to address point #1?

My understanding it that most people who are graduating from a top 30 school in the top 60% of their class will get a legal job, probably at a firm, if they try.

anacharsis wrote:

rinkrat19 wrote:

anacharsis wrote:

rinkrat19 wrote:1. A lot of people don't get any legal job at all, and so they don't show up in that data.
2. A median of 70k means just as many people are making less than 70k (and the bimodal distribution means they're mostly making 30-60k) as are making more than 70k.

60k doesn't sound bad either. 30k would suck.

Would you like to address point #1?

My understanding it that most people who are graduating from a top 30 school in the top 60% of their class will get a legal job, probably at a firm, if they try.

your understanding is wrong.

So the people in the bottom 40% don't count?

A. Nony Mouse wrote:So the people in the bottom 40% don't count?

They don't count as people in the top 60%.

OP where do you go to school? And why is this posted in the Ask a law student / graduate section?

californiauser wrote:OP where do you go to school?

I'd rather not say. A T30.

californiauser wrote:And why is this posted in the Ask a law student / graduate section?

Where should it be posted? I'm relatively new to posting, but I thought that job prospects after graduation would pretty directly concern law students and graduates of law schools.

Looks like OP will become a Vale regular next year.

hichvichwoh wrote:
your understanding is wrong.

He may be right, if you remember that "most" can be as low as 50.1%. So half of the top 60% getting legal jobs after graduation isn't a stretch. It's sobering, and probably not what he had in mind, but not necessarily wrong.

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Yeah you guys are just jealous because I have bigger tits and a cute top.

anacharsis wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:So the people in the bottom 40% don't count?

They don't count as people in the top 60%.

Its been noted through the trials and tribs of TLS that "60% get jobs" does not mean top 60% in the class get firm jobs. There are total rubes that are connected and get jerbs, whereas a t14 with 25th percentile grades and LR is checking out peeps at Costco.

anacharsis wrote:http://www.nalp.org/2012_associate_salaries

If this information is accurate, why is anyone worried unless they're paying sticker? I don't know about you guys, but 70k/yr with the debt I'm going to have is a pretty good deal.

You understand that isn't how legal hiring works, right? If you don't understand why people are worried, then you need to do a great deal more research. Read the blog posts of inside the law school scam and Paul campos book "don't go to law school unless". Read law school transparency and read all the articles on law school in the New York Times and the WSJ over the past three years.

NYstate wrote:

anacharsis wrote:http://www.nalp.org/2012_associate_salaries

If this information is accurate, why is anyone worried unless they're paying sticker? I don't know about you guys, but 70k/yr with the debt I'm going to have is a pretty good deal.

You understand that isn't how legal hiring works, right? If you don't understand why people are worried, then you need to do a great deal more research. Read the blog posts of inside the law school scam and Paul campos book "don't go to law school unless". Read law school transparency and read all the articles on law school in the New York Times and the WSJ over the past three years.

Yeah I've read those things. I didn't read a goddamn book about not going to law school and then decide to go, though. Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?

I'm a 1L too, dickhead. I probably know just about exactly as much about "how legal hiring works" as you do.

anacharsis wrote:I'm a 1L too, dickhead. I probably know just about exactly as much about "how legal hiring works" as you do.