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abramsj7 wrote:If someone is not accepted into a T-14, should they give up hopes of ever working for one of the big law firms? Sorry if this question has been posted already, I'm new to the site.
Lol thats unfortunatedabbadon8 wrote:abramsj7 wrote:If someone is not accepted into a T-14, should they give up hopes of ever working for one of the big law firms? Sorry if this question has been posted already, I'm new to the site.
This is generally passed out at orientations at non-t-14 schools from what I hear.
Okay, that clears up a lot of confusion. So what schools would you suggest that are not necessarily T14, but if someone performed in the top 1/3 of their class, would have a decent shot at a big law firm?dingbat wrote:In this economy, there are a number of non-T14 schools that place over 20% of their students in biglaw. It's just more of an uphill battle
If you get into Harvard, a Biglaw spot is yours to lose, while at any of the T14, median should get you plenty of interviews (at some schools, anything short of bottom 10% is good enough)
At, say, BU, on the other hand, realistically you've got to be in the top 1/3 of your class, while at some lower schools, like Brooklyn, we're talking maybe top 15%, which is bad, but not impossible.
It is school specific, and there are schools where not even being top 5% is enough, but T14 is not a requirement
GULC.abramsj7 wrote:Okay, that clears up a lot of confusion. So what schools would you suggest that are not necessarily T14, but if someone performed in the top 1/3 of their class, would have a decent shot at a big law firm?dingbat wrote:In this economy, there are a number of non-T14 schools that place over 20% of their students in biglaw. It's just more of an uphill battle
If you get into Harvard, a Biglaw spot is yours to lose, while at any of the T14, median should get you plenty of interviews (at some schools, anything short of bottom 10% is good enough)
At, say, BU, on the other hand, realistically you've got to be in the top 1/3 of your class, while at some lower schools, like Brooklyn, we're talking maybe top 15%, which is bad, but not impossible.
It is school specific, and there are schools where not even being top 5% is enough, but T14 is not a requirement
InGoodFaith wrote:GULC.abramsj7 wrote:Okay, that clears up a lot of confusion. So what schools would you suggest that are not necessarily T14, but if someone performed in the top 1/3 of their class, would have a decent shot at a big law firm?dingbat wrote:In this economy, there are a number of non-T14 schools that place over 20% of their students in biglaw. It's just more of an uphill battle
If you get into Harvard, a Biglaw spot is yours to lose, while at any of the T14, median should get you plenty of interviews (at some schools, anything short of bottom 10% is good enough)
At, say, BU, on the other hand, realistically you've got to be in the top 1/3 of your class, while at some lower schools, like Brooklyn, we're talking maybe top 15%, which is bad, but not impossible.
It is school specific, and there are schools where not even being top 5% is enough, but T14 is not a requirement
USC/UCLAabramsj7 wrote:Okay, that clears up a lot of confusion. So what schools would you suggest that are not necessarily T14, but if someone performed in the top 1/3 of their class, would have a decent shot at a big law firm?dingbat wrote:In this economy, there are a number of non-T14 schools that place over 20% of their students in biglaw. It's just more of an uphill battle
If you get into Harvard, a Biglaw spot is yours to lose, while at any of the T14, median should get you plenty of interviews (at some schools, anything short of bottom 10% is good enough)
At, say, BU, on the other hand, realistically you've got to be in the top 1/3 of your class, while at some lower schools, like Brooklyn, we're talking maybe top 15%, which is bad, but not impossible.
It is school specific, and there are schools where not even being top 5% is enough, but T14 is not a requirement
Define "decent shot" and "biglaw". Even assuming "biglaw" means NLJ250 and not V100, no school outside the T14 seems to place a third of their class into biglaw ITE.abramsj7 wrote:Okay, that clears up a lot of confusion. So what schools would you suggest that are not necessarily T14, but if someone performed in the top 1/3 of their class, would have a decent shot at a big law firm?dingbat wrote:In this economy, there are a number of non-T14 schools that place over 20% of their students in biglaw. It's just more of an uphill battle
If you get into Harvard, a Biglaw spot is yours to lose, while at any of the T14, median should get you plenty of interviews (at some schools, anything short of bottom 10% is good enough)
At, say, BU, on the other hand, realistically you've got to be in the top 1/3 of your class, while at some lower schools, like Brooklyn, we're talking maybe top 15%, which is bad, but not impossible.
It is school specific, and there are schools where not even being top 5% is enough, but T14 is not a requirement
In my opinion, a decent shot means getting an interview. For the schools I mentioned, top 1/3 is a reasonable cutoff for most of what is considered biglaw (V10 would obviously have stricter criteria)lawyerwannabe wrote: Define "decent shot" and "biglaw". Even assuming "biglaw" means NLJ250 and not V100, no school outside the T14 seems to place a third of their class into biglaw ITE.
dingbat wrote:USC/UCLA
Vandy
UT
maybe Fordham
BC/BU
GW
BruceWayne wrote:dingbat wrote:USC/UCLA
Vandy
UT
maybe Fordham
BC/BU
GW
When I say "decent shot" I mean that if someone were to be top 1/3 of their class and part of the Law Review for that school, would they have a realistic chance at landing employment in the NLJ250?lawyerwannabe wrote:Define "decent shot" and "biglaw". Even assuming "biglaw" means NLJ250 and not V100, no school outside the T14 seems to place a third of their class into biglaw ITE.abramsj7 wrote:Okay, that clears up a lot of confusion. So what schools would you suggest that are not necessarily T14, but if someone performed in the top 1/3 of their class, would have a decent shot at a big law firm?dingbat wrote:In this economy, there are a number of non-T14 schools that place over 20% of their students in biglaw. It's just more of an uphill battle
If you get into Harvard, a Biglaw spot is yours to lose, while at any of the T14, median should get you plenty of interviews (at some schools, anything short of bottom 10% is good enough)
At, say, BU, on the other hand, realistically you've got to be in the top 1/3 of your class, while at some lower schools, like Brooklyn, we're talking maybe top 15%, which is bad, but not impossible.
It is school specific, and there are schools where not even being top 5% is enough, but T14 is not a requirement
Thanks! These pretty much summed up my entire question
BC placed a higher percentage of its grads into NLJ250 jobs than Fordham did each of the past 4 years on record (2011, 2010, 2009, 2008), and BU did so in two out of four. And the numbers are close enough that it's clear these three are peer schools.BruceWayne wrote: maybe Fordham
BC/BU
BC/BU's advantage won't matter for you if you're not from Boston. Fordham's will even if you're not from NYC.JusticeHarlan wrote:BC placed a higher percentage of its grads into NLJ250 jobs than Fordham did each of the past 4 years on record (2011, 2010, 2009, 2008), and BU did so in two out of four. And the numbers are close enough that it's clear these three are peer schools.BruceWayne wrote: maybe Fordham
BC/BU
Are you being NYC centric, or do you not know what you're talking about?
To OP: don't go to any of these schools if you're biglaw or bust. Retaking the LSAT and aiming for a better placing school is a more realistic chance.
Worthless without adding federal clerkships.abramsj7 wrote:Thanks! These pretty much summed up my entire question
Not worthless, but definitely more meaningful to include it. I'm on my cell phone, can someone please link in Rayiner's thread that shows this?rad lulz wrote:Worthless without adding federal clerkships.abramsj7 wrote:Thanks! These pretty much summed up my entire question
This isn't really true. The key to Boston is understanding the practice areas that are there. Dont be an out of towner going to Boston firms talking about how much you want to be a killer litigator, project finance, or environmental lawyer (with a few firm exceptions). Boston is mostly a corporate/IP market and as long as you play up your interest there, and have good grades, you should perform fine even without lifelong ties.BruceWayne wrote:BC/BU's advantage won't matter for you if you're not from Boston. Fordham's will even if you're not from NYC.JusticeHarlan wrote:BC placed a higher percentage of its grads into NLJ250 jobs than Fordham did each of the past 4 years on record (2011, 2010, 2009, 2008), and BU did so in two out of four. And the numbers are close enough that it's clear these three are peer schools.BruceWayne wrote: maybe Fordham
BC/BU
Are you being NYC centric, or do you not know what you're talking about?
To OP: don't go to any of these schools if you're biglaw or bust. Retaking the LSAT and aiming for a better placing school is a more realistic chance.
