Top Law Schools

d34dluk3 wrote:I'm guessing that the name is an apt description of the career prospects.

redsoxfan77 wrote:Is it the best school to attend? If you seriously looking at it, then I assume you to be conservative enjoy debt and a Catholic unemployment. That being the case, you could find it to be very satisfying.

redsoxfan77 wrote:I swallowed Ave Maria's website.

merichard87 wrote:Top 100? Within 30 years? I'm scared to be a part of this scary future.

bk187 wrote:

redsoxfan77 wrote:Is it the best school to attend? If you seriously looking at it, then I assume you to be conservative enjoy debt and a Catholic unemployment. That being the case, you could find it to be very satisfying.

FTFY

redsoxfan77 wrote:

merichard87 wrote:Top 100? Within 30 years? I'm scared to be a part of this scary future.

Well with the relative end of "generation narcissus" within that time period society should move back to middle from the extreme. This should result in a more moderate academia in which schools like Ave Maria will become more accepted. Also a decent alumni network should be in place by 2040. I see no reason why this cannot or would not be.

Tell you what: I'll bet you a pepsi on it.

redsoxfan77 wrote:

merichard87 wrote:Top 100? Within 30 years? I'm scared to be a part of this scary future.

Well with the relative end of "generation narcissus" within that time period society should move back to middle from the extreme. This should result in a more moderate academia in which schools like Ave Maria will become more accepted. Also a decent alumni network should be in place by 2040. I see no reason why this cannot or would not be.

Tell you what: I'll bet you a pepsi on it.

redsoxfan77 wrote:As was already said Ave Maria University was founded and funded in large part by Thomas Monaghan the founder of Dominoes Pizza. It is part of a larger trend in the founding of new conservative Catholic universities to offset the loss of traditional Catholic identity in CINO universities.

There are links of course in Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_maria_law_school, and their own website. That in legal circles that it is not taken seriously should not be much of a surprise. It is proudly Catholic and conservative. That's a dangerous combination in academia. Given the more liberal nature of most lawyers and viola, the general opinion has been formed. As for a law school, the brevity of it's existence means that an alumni network is non-existent. This will mean harder work than in many other schools for finding a job after graduation.

The good news is that among conservative Catholic circles the reputation is very well received and the it's star as a university is still very much on the rise. Is it the best school to attend? If you seriously looking at it, then I assume you to be conservative and a Catholic. That being the case, you could find it to be very satisfying. If you are neither you might want to think twice about attending.

My take on Ave Maria is this: in less than generation it will be considered the Catholic version of Pepperdine University. Liberals will continue to bake up half brained stories about how racist and bigoted Ave Maria students are as evidenced by their parties. It will also be compared to Bob Jones University, despite the lack of any Supreme Court rulings on the universities practices. The university as a whole will survive and grow substantially. Eventually one day it will grudgingly be accepted as a legitimate law school with a top 100 ranking within 30 years.

Either way good luck!

Fark-o-vision wrote:

redsoxfan77 wrote:As was already said Ave Maria University was founded and funded in large part by Thomas Monaghan the founder of Dominoes Pizza. It is part of a larger trend in the founding of new conservative Catholic universities to offset the loss of traditional Catholic identity in CINO universities.

There are links of course in Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_maria_law_school, and their own website. That in legal circles that it is not taken seriously should not be much of a surprise. It is proudly Catholic and conservative. That's a dangerous combination in academia. Given the more liberal nature of most lawyers and viola, the general opinion has been formed. As for a law school, the brevity of it's existence means that an alumni network is non-existent. This will mean harder work than in many other schools for finding a job after graduation.

The good news is that among conservative Catholic circles the reputation is very well received and the it's star as a university is still very much on the rise. Is it the best school to attend? If you seriously looking at it, then I assume you to be conservative and a Catholic. That being the case, you could find it to be very satisfying. If you are neither you might want to think twice about attending.

My take on Ave Maria is this: in less than generation it will be considered the Catholic version of Pepperdine University. Liberals will continue to bake up half brained stories about how racist and bigoted Ave Maria students are as evidenced by their parties. It will also be compared to Bob Jones University, despite the lack of any Supreme Court rulings on the universities practices. The university as a whole will survive and grow substantially. Eventually one day it will grudgingly be accepted as a legitimate law school with a top 100 ranking within 30 years.

Either way good luck!

The problem with this is that your lumping all religious schools together. What about BYU? Pepperdine got to where it was by attracting a successful dean who could bring jobs and respect to the campus. Although most of us don't respect the man, he was (in my very, very limited experience with legal types) viewed as a bit of a martyr because of what went down. Ken Starr carried incredible cache with him. Get a few quality faculty members together and voila! The rise in rankings.

Ave Maria attracts too large a class, dislocated itself from a successful spot in Michigan because Monaghan (sorry on the spelling) is a power hungry douche, and chased away the talented faculty it did have. From what I understand it actually was viewed as an up and coming law school until the proceeding happened.

redsoxfan77 wrote:As for Monaghan's move of Ave Maria to Florida; that could potentially be a valid reason to negatively critique the program. Then again it could have been an astute business move. I'll ask for a clarification on why they chose to move the university to Florida over choosing to stay in Michigan. That way at least their official reasoning can be brought into the discussion. As the program is only about 10 years old and that personnel changes in Academia are common and frequent I'm really not that concerned with the loss of some professors. That they lost professors over the move shouldn't be surprising to anyone. It's hard to ask someone to move from their homes to keep their jobs. There is no reason why they can't be viewed as up and coming in a few years if it's not viewed that way now.

d34dluk3 wrote:Stop acting like this has any relevance. People at T14s are struggling to find jobs. Even if Ave Maria weren't crappy to start with (which it is), everything below T1 is crap in this economy.

JG Hall wrote:I think this thread just gave me an abortion.

d34dluk3 wrote:

redsoxfan77 wrote:As for Monaghan's move of Ave Maria to Florida; that could potentially be a valid reason to negatively critique the program. Then again it could have been an astute business move. I'll ask for a clarification on why they chose to move the university to Florida over choosing to stay in Michigan. That way at least their official reasoning can be brought into the discussion. As the program is only about 10 years old and that personnel changes in Academia are common and frequent I'm really not that concerned with the loss of some professors. That they lost professors over the move shouldn't be surprising to anyone. It's hard to ask someone to move from their homes to keep their jobs. There is no reason why they can't be viewed as up and coming in a few years if it's not viewed that way now.

Stop acting like this has any relevance. People at T14s are struggling to find jobs. Even if Ave Maria weren't crappy to start with (which it is), everything below T1 is crap in this economy.

redsoxfan77 wrote:

d34dluk3 wrote:Stop acting like this has any relevance. People at T14s are struggling to find jobs. Even if Ave Maria weren't crappy to start with (which it is), everything below T1 is crap in this economy.

LOL, Has no relevance? HA!

You mean to explain that a school moving locations and not retaining it's full staff as a result of that move has no relevance to the performance of the institution in any way?