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Definitely lawschool100.Fef619 wrote:What is the difference between http://www.lawschool100.com/ and U.S. News rankings? Some schools that are not top tier in U.S. News are considered top tier on lawschool100. Which site is more reliable? Sorry if this question has already been asked. Thanks.
Clearly USNWR is more legit, I'm just wondering if anyone has ever looked at lawschool100's methodology. I would by no means make a decision based on that. Just curious.holydonkey wrote:Definitely lawschool100.Fef619 wrote:What is the difference between http://www.lawschool100.com/ and U.S. News rankings? Some schools that are not top tier in U.S. News are considered top tier on lawschool100. Which site is more reliable? Sorry if this question has already been asked. Thanks.
Go with USNWR. HolyDonkey was being sarcastic.Fef619 wrote:It seems this is a contentious issue. One person says lawschool100 is more legit while another argues in favor of U.S. news. Do employers consider both rankings before hiring? ...or do employers prefer one over the other..
jlnoa0915 wrote:Lets be serious, this is the most legit ranking system out there:
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That's one of the main knocks on this ranking system. Its methodology is not at all clear and they don't really do anything to clear that up. Its pretty useless for that and a number of other reasons.legalease9 wrote:Anyone know what the Law School 100 is actually based on?
I don't think employers actively look at either. The relevant question is which has a larger effect on the reputation of a law school over an extended period of time. In other words, which rankings have move of a footprint in the public mind. That's clearly US News. You can get into the entire lay v. professional opinion thing, but I think thats a red herring with regards to ranking. I do not think professionals pay attention to rankings per se. The only way they would pay attention is if the rankings led public opinion, and then that public opinion seeped into their perceptions.Fef619 wrote:It seems this is a contentious issue. One person says lawschool100 is more legit while another argues in favor of U.S. news. Do employers consider both rankings before hiring? ...or do employers prefer one over the other..
You think this isn't legit?Fef619 wrote:LOL...I have seen this....Thomas Cooley is not biased or anything.jlnoa0915 wrote:Lets be serious, this is the most legit ranking system out there:
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jlnoa0915 wrote:Lets be serious, this is the most legit ranking system out there:
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The idea that GULC exists in a different (and lower) tier then Cornell is absurd.If you switch Yale with Harvard and Duke with Georgetown, you get the common TLS tiers of Y > HS > CCN > BMVP DNC > G and the rest of the TTT.
gdane5 wrote: I personally believe that rankings should be used loosely. After the top 25 or so, they go out the window. What makes number 28 GW better than number 30 Fordham? What makes number 26 BC better than number 28 GW? These rankings are very detrimental to the study of law and force students to base their decisions off of what a magazine says.
I completely agree that these are the important underlying concerns. But, would you agree that the favorability of the answers to these questions highly correlates to the rank of your school in the USNWR rankings? Harvard will get you a superb education, the vast majority of their graduates pass the bar on their first try, and their job prospects are top notch. The fact that they are ranked #2 doesn't cause this but there is a strong correlation. I suppose this becomes much less meaningful when looking at schools comparable to each other in the rankings (T10 vs T10 or T50 vs T50).gdane5 wrote:When it comes down to making a decision a student should ask "Will I get a good education? Will I be able to pass the Bar exam? Will i be able to secure meaningful employment after graduation?", not "What rank is my school according to USNWR?".
I agree. I'm just saying that these rankings could have been made by a subtle Georgetown troll posing as a Harvard troll to throw everyone off their tracks.nealric wrote:The idea that GULC exists in a different (and lower) tier then Cornell is absurd.If you switch Yale with Harvard and Duke with Georgetown, you get the common TLS tiers of Y > HS > CCN > BMVP DNC > G and the rest of the TTT.
Rankings seem to matter in relative groupings after the T14, plus Vandy/UCLA/UT. Within the 20-30 range, for instance, employers are likely to pick candidates attending the school in their home region. There is not some magic cutoff at #25, and GW is probably going to beat BC in DC, if the students are otherwise similar.gdane5 wrote:Employers dont care about rankings. They do not care whatsoever. employers do not consult USNWR when hiring people.
"Hmm... You went to University of Florida? Its ranked 51... I have a George Mason grad here too. GMU is ranked 38. I think ill go with him". This scenario is very unlikely to happen solely because of the rankings.
I base my opinion off of conversations ive had with professors that are very close to actual attorney's and a family member that works as an administrative assistant at Holland and Knight here in Miami. She tells me that the hiring partner hires from all types of schools regardless of rankings. Of course on thing she stressed was that the "less prestigious" your school was, the more impeccable your grades had to be. She gave me an example of an NYU student that was hired with decent grades, while an FIU grad that was hired was one of the top 10 people in her class, on moot court and all that stuff.
I personally believe that rankings should be used loosely. After the top 25 or so, they go out the window. What makes number 28 GW better than number 30 Fordham? What makes number 26 BC better than number 28 GW? These rankings are very detrimental to the study of law and force students to base their decisions off of what a magazine says.
When it comes down to making a decision a student should ask "Will I get a good education? Will I be able to pass the Bar exam? Will i be able to secure meaningful employment after graduation?", not "What rank is my school according to USNWR?".
Why top 25?gdane5 wrote:Employers dont care about rankings. They do not care whatsoever. employers do not consult USNWR when hiring people.
"Hmm... You went to University of Florida? Its ranked 51... I have a George Mason grad here too. GMU is ranked 38. I think ill go with him". This scenario is very unlikely to happen solely because of the rankings.
I base my opinion off of conversations ive had with professors that are very close to actual attorney's and a family member that works as an administrative assistant at Holland and Knight here in Miami. She tells me that the hiring partner hires from all types of schools regardless of rankings. Of course on thing she stressed was that the "less prestigious" your school was, the more impeccable your grades had to be. She gave me an example of an NYU student that was hired with decent grades, while an FIU grad that was hired was one of the top 10 people in her class, on moot court and all that stuff.
I personally believe that rankings should be used loosely. After the top 25 or so, they go out the window. What makes number 28 GW better than number 30 Fordham? What makes number 26 BC better than number 28 GW? These rankings are very detrimental to the study of law and force students to base their decisions off of what a magazine says.
When it comes down to making a decision a student should ask "Will I get a good education? Will I be able to pass the Bar exam? Will i be able to secure meaningful employment after graduation?", not "What rank is my school according to USNWR?".