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Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:50 am
by Anonymous User
Who ranks the highest, both sides of the spectrum.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:20 am
by Anonymous User
Most conservative would probably be Fifth Circuit Judge Ho (as opposed to newly confirmed former ACLU attorney SDNY Judge Ho).
Most liberal would probably go to one of Biden's most recent appointees, but none of them have really had time to develop a record confirming that yet. For example, Julie Rikelman (who argued at the Supreme Court on behalf of the abortion providers in Dobbs) was just confirmed to the First Circuit.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:44 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:20 am
Most conservative would probably be Fifth Circuit Judge Ho (as opposed to newly confirmed former ACLU attorney SDNY Judge Ho).
Most liberal would probably go to one of Biden's most recent appointees, but none of them have really had time to develop a record confirming that yet. For example, Julie Rikelman (who argued at the Supreme Court on behalf of the abortion providers in Dobbs) was just confirmed to the First Circuit.
Ho isn't even the most conservative judge on the Fifth Circuit, let alone the country.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:25 am
by Anonymous User
It's sort of hard to rank liberal/conservative judges today just because of increased partisanship and differing visions of what conservative or liberal even means. For instance by most conservative some people may mean most Trump-like or warrior-esque, or they may mean most originalist. Same thing with Liberal—is a liberal judge one who bends the law in favor of progressive outcomes or is a liberal judge one who meticulously applies the theory of living constitutionalism. I know this is annoying lawyer answer, but there is no real way to answer this question.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:28 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:44 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:20 am
Most conservative would probably be Fifth Circuit Judge Ho (as opposed to newly confirmed former ACLU attorney SDNY Judge Ho).
Most liberal would probably go to one of Biden's most recent appointees, but none of them have really had time to develop a record confirming that yet. For example, Julie Rikelman (who argued at the Supreme Court on behalf of the abortion providers in Dobbs) was just confirmed to the First Circuit.
Ho isn't even the most conservative judge on the Fifth Circuit, let alone the country.
His absurd "No Yale or Stanford clerks" policy based on liberal student protests at those schools suggests otherwise. But IDK what "conservative" even means in this context.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:57 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:28 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:44 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:20 am
Most conservative would probably be Fifth Circuit Judge Ho (as opposed to newly confirmed former ACLU attorney SDNY Judge Ho).
Most liberal would probably go to one of Biden's most recent appointees, but none of them have really had time to develop a record confirming that yet. For example, Julie Rikelman (who argued at the Supreme Court on behalf of the abortion providers in Dobbs) was just confirmed to the First Circuit.
Ho isn't even the most conservative judge on the Fifth Circuit, let alone the country.
His absurd "No Yale or Stanford clerks" policy based on liberal student protests at those schools suggests otherwise. But IDK what "conservative" even means in this context.
Oldham, Jones, and probably Duncan are significantly more conservative than him, writing op-eds about who you will hire has no bearing on jurisprudence.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:17 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:57 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:28 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:44 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:20 am
Most conservative would probably be Fifth Circuit Judge Ho (as opposed to newly confirmed former ACLU attorney SDNY Judge Ho).
Most liberal would probably go to one of Biden's most recent appointees, but none of them have really had time to develop a record confirming that yet. For example, Julie Rikelman (who argued at the Supreme Court on behalf of the abortion providers in Dobbs) was just confirmed to the First Circuit.
Ho isn't even the most conservative judge on the Fifth Circuit, let alone the country.
His absurd "No Yale or Stanford clerks" policy based on liberal student protests at those schools suggests otherwise. But IDK what "conservative" even means in this context.
Oldham, Jones, and probably Duncan are significantly more conservative than him, writing op-eds about who you will hire has no bearing on jurisprudence.
Should probably throw VanDyke into the mix while we're at it...
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:30 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:17 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:57 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:28 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:44 am
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:20 am
Most conservative would probably be Fifth Circuit Judge Ho (as opposed to newly confirmed former ACLU attorney SDNY Judge Ho).
Most liberal would probably go to one of Biden's most recent appointees, but none of them have really had time to develop a record confirming that yet. For example, Julie Rikelman (who argued at the Supreme Court on behalf of the abortion providers in Dobbs) was just confirmed to the First Circuit.
Ho isn't even the most conservative judge on the Fifth Circuit, let alone the country.
His absurd "No Yale or Stanford clerks" policy based on liberal student protests at those schools suggests otherwise. But IDK what "conservative" even means in this context.
Oldham, Jones, and probably Duncan are significantly more conservative than him, writing op-eds about who you will hire has no bearing on jurisprudence.
Should probably throw VanDyke into the mix while we're at it...
I was only listing 5th Circuit judges
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:33 am
by Anonymous User
There probably needs to be a distinction between public political orientation and written opinions in a thread like this.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:39 am
by Anonymous User
Edith Jones and Oldham would be my picks for most conservative, reactionary in a way that’s beyond the Fed Soc mainstream. Oldham has a veneer of intellectualism while Jones just seems like a devout Fox News viewer. Whereas I feel like VanDyke is bombastic but substantively not out of the Fed Soc mainstream. And agree that Ho isn’t down-the-line conservative despite his writing style.
I’m not sure who most liberal would be; it was famously Reinhardt but he’s obviously passed on. Given the current atmosphere at the Supreme Court there’s an incentive not to look too too liberal. On writing style it may be Robin Rosenbaum, but I don’t get the sense that she’s substantively out of the mainstream.
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:56 am
by Anonymous User
Pretty comprehensive conversation from a few months ago on liberal judges:
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312815&hilit=most+liberal
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:23 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:39 am
Edith Jones and Oldham would be my picks for most conservative, reactionary in a way that’s beyond the Fed Soc mainstream. Oldham has a veneer of intellectualism while Jones just seems like a devout Fox News viewer. Whereas I feel like VanDyke is bombastic but substantively not out of the Fed Soc mainstream. And agree that Ho isn’t down-the-line conservative despite his writing style.
I’m not sure who most liberal would be; it was famously Reinhardt but he’s obviously passed on. Given the current atmosphere at the Supreme Court there’s an incentive not to look too too liberal. On writing style it may be Robin Rosenbaum, but I don’t get the sense that she’s substantively out of the mainstream.
Oh Judge Reinhardt. The famously liberal lion of the judiciary who was also incidentally a serial sexual harasser.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/us/p ... sment.html
Re: Most liberal/conservative COA judge?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:48 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:39 am
Edith Jones and Oldham would be my picks for most conservative, reactionary in a way that’s beyond the Fed Soc mainstream. Oldham has a veneer of intellectualism while Jones just seems like a devout Fox News viewer. Whereas I feel like VanDyke is bombastic but substantively not out of the Fed Soc mainstream. And agree that Ho isn’t down-the-line conservative despite his writing style.
I’m not sure who most liberal would be; it was famously Reinhardt but he’s obviously passed on. Given the current atmosphere at the Supreme Court there’s an incentive not to look too too liberal. On writing style it may be Robin Rosenbaum, but I don’t get the sense that she’s substantively out of the mainstream.
Reinhardt wasn't even the most liberal Ninth Circuit judge in Los Angeles until Pregerson died a few months before him.