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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pm

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Should I expect to hear a response after a callback? It has been roughly two weeks since my callback and I am wondering whether that non-response should be understood to be a "no," or I am being impatient.
It depends. I would say for most firms, two weeks is fine. Some boutiques move more quickly because their hiring decisions are made by committees that meet weekly.
"Two weeks is fine" as in, don't presume no-response = no?
Correct. One big law firm I interviewed with didn't get back to me until two and a half weeks later, but that's because I was in the early round of interviews and they needed to interview everyone before making decisions.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 pm

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Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:31 pm
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Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:29 pm
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Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:09 pm
Should I expect to hear a response after a callback? It has been roughly two weeks since my callback and I am wondering whether that non-response should be understood to be a "no," or I am being impatient.
It depends. I would say for most firms, two weeks is fine. Some boutiques move more quickly because their hiring decisions are made by committees that meet weekly.
"Two weeks is fine" as in, don't presume no-response = no?
Correct. One big law firm I interviewed with didn't get back to me until two and a half weeks later, but that's because I was in the early round of interviews and they needed to interview everyone before making decisions.
Reassuring. (Or not, in that I am still waiting in anticipation of a decision). Thanks!

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm

Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:50 pm

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Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Many people here have a return offer and are looking elsewhere. Others did not work at a firm in their 2L year. Others clerked at a firm that does not hold offers open.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by himi bimi » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:56 pm

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Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:50 pm
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Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm
Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Many people here have a return offer and are looking elsewhere. Others did not work at a firm in their 2L year. Others clerked at a firm that does not hold offers open.
Some clerkship offers are also just good timing. In Boston at least, these can pop up and close quickly leaving those who don't have a job at a great firm able to secure them right away faster than others. That is what happened to me. Judge was looking for a three week turnaround time.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 pm

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Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm
Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Also, Big Law is a generic term - and some of us are being very selective (think location, practice group, and actually about the type of work).

For instance, commercial litigation is different based on the firm and the location. Or for example appellate DC work is totally different than appellate at a regional law firm on the west or east coast.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by throwawayt14 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm
Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Also, Big Law is a generic term - and some of us are being very selective (think location, practice group, and actually about the type of work).

For instance, commercial litigation is different based on the firm and the location. Or for example appellate DC work is totally different than appellate at a regional law firm on the west or east coast.
There are a significant number of judges that almost always hire students from regional schools.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:43 pm

throwawayt14 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm
Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Also, Big Law is a generic term - and some of us are being very selective (think location, practice group, and actually about the type of work).

For instance, commercial litigation is different based on the firm and the location. Or for example appellate DC work is totally different than appellate at a regional law firm on the west or east coast.
There are a significant number of judges that almost always hire students from regional schools.
What is that supposed to mean?

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by throwawayt14 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:43 pm
throwawayt14 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm
Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Also, Big Law is a generic term - and some of us are being very selective (think location, practice group, and actually about the type of work).

For instance, commercial litigation is different based on the firm and the location. Or for example appellate DC work is totally different than appellate at a regional law firm on the west or east coast.
There are a significant number of judges that almost always hire students from regional schools.
What is that supposed to mean?
Most students at regional schools do not have 2L SA big law positions, and even with a federal clerkship, can struggle to obtain big law after clerking.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:49 pm

Jenner DC has given out both offers and rejections. Anyone heard from skadden DC?

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:00 am

Anyone know the turnaround time between callback and offer from Williams and Connolly?

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:10 am

throwawayt14 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:51 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:43 pm
throwawayt14 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm
Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Also, Big Law is a generic term - and some of us are being very selective (think location, practice group, and actually about the type of work).

For instance, commercial litigation is different based on the firm and the location. Or for example appellate DC work is totally different than appellate at a regional law firm on the west or east coast.
There are a significant number of judges that almost always hire students from regional schools.
What is that supposed to mean?
Most students at regional schools do not have 2L SA big law positions, and even with a federal clerkship, can struggle to obtain big law after clerking.
This is sort of correct - it’s definitely possible to get a clerkship without having been able to get a biglaw position, especially with judges who are less concerned about traditional pedigree, and such a candidate can definitely struggle to get biglaw after. But generally the people at regional law schools getting clerkships are also the students from those schools who do get biglaw, just because you usually have to be at the very top of your class to get a federal clerkship out of a regional school.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:42 am

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Jenner DC has given out both offers and rejections. Anyone heard from skadden DC?
When did those who heard back have callbacks?

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:42 am

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Anyone know the turnaround time between callback and offer from Williams and Connolly?
Have heard anywhere from next day to two weeks

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:17 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 pm
Just wanna ask a good faith question because I'm a little confused by this thread. At my law school getting a federal clerkship (which seems to be most of the people here) is so, so much harder than getting BigLaw. Everyone with a pulse and a bare minimum of social awareness gets BigLaw, whereas FC's are legitimately competitive and strong students can and do strike out. So how are people coming off clerkships without pre-arranged jobs, assuming everyone got a 2L SA?
Also, Big Law is a generic term - and some of us are being very selective (think location, practice group, and actually about the type of work).

For instance, commercial litigation is different based on the firm and the location. Or for example appellate DC work is totally different than appellate at a regional law firm on the west or east coast.
Seconding this, at least for the vast majority of clerks. I summered at a top firm in DC, virtually my entire summer class who were interested in lit clerked. All have the option of going back but post clerkship you have a better idea of the market and practice areas you're interested in. So, instead of going back you might apply to boutiques (in DC this is places like Kellogg, Zuckerman, Williams & Connolly), that are more selective than generic big law, or a firm that is stronger in an area you're interested in (antitrust at Cleary, appellate at GDC, etc.). Virtually all Art. III clerks can get big law, a lot are just gunning for something more selective which is why you're seeing people struggling a bit.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by himi bimi » Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:31 am

Anyone here from any office for Sidley, DLA Piper, White and Case and from Boston for Jones Day?

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:21 pm

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Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:42 am
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Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:49 pm
Jenner DC has given out both offers and rejections. Anyone heard from skadden DC?
When did those who heard back have callbacks?
Mid-February.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:42 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:00 am
Anyone know the turnaround time between callback and offer from Williams and Connolly?
Have heard anywhere from next day to two weeks
I got an offer from them in 2020 and it was about two weeks after the callback for me.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:33 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:42 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:00 am
Anyone know the turnaround time between callback and offer from Williams and Connolly?
Have heard anywhere from next day to two weeks
I got an offer from them in 2020 and it was about two weeks after the callback for me.
Also about two weeks

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:46 pm

MoloLamken's recruiting letter is dated March 2023. So it sounds like some firms just started recruiting!

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:10 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:33 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:42 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:00 am
Anyone know the turnaround time between callback and offer from Williams and Connolly?
Have heard anywhere from next day to two weeks
I got an offer from them in 2020 and it was about two weeks after the callback for me.
Also about two weeks
Thank you both. Any advice on the interview process?

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:38 pm

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MoloLamken's recruiting letter is dated March 2023. So it sounds like some firms just started recruiting!
They’ve been interviewing since at least January.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:45 pm

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Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:38 pm
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Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:46 pm
MoloLamken's recruiting letter is dated March 2023. So it sounds like some firms just started recruiting!
They’ve been interviewing since at least January.
Oh wow. I wonder why they sent a recruiting later just last week.

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:45 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:38 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:46 pm
MoloLamken's recruiting letter is dated March 2023. So it sounds like some firms just started recruiting!
They’ve been interviewing since at least January.
Oh wow. I wonder why they sent a recruiting later just last week.
maybe the earlier ones haven’t panned out. Good luck!

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Re: 2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:48 pm

Anyone hear back from Patterson? What’s the usual turnaround?

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