Who are the most competitive SDNY/DDC judges?
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:38 pm
Title is pretty self-explanatory. Thanks for any thoughts!
SDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
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Any distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
Add Cronan, McFadden, and Nichols, who also want people with SCOTUS-level credentials. Likewise Kovner in EDNY. I didn't know Cooper was that competitive, but idk, I also don't know anything at all about Cooper.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
Boasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pmAny distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
Is there really any such thing as a district court feeder or do they for the most part just work backwards for candidates that have good COAs? The sense I’ve gotten is that a good dct only really leads to scotus if paired with an appellate feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pmBoasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pmAny distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
That's probably the case for some of them, but some of them like Boasberg in DDC are so well connected with SCOTUS Justices (isn't he like best friends with Kavanaugh?), that he is almost certainly responsible for many of his feeds.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:22 amIs there really any such thing as a district court feeder or do they for the most part just work backwards for candidates that have good COAs? The sense I’ve gotten is that a good dct only really leads to scotus if paired with an appellate feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pmBoasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pmAny distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
Friedrich can also feed on her own, but anyone with good enough grades to clerk for her can (and will) also clerk for a COA feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:33 amThat's probably the case for some of them, but some of them like Boasberg in DDC are so well connected with SCOTUS Justices (isn't he like best friends with Kavanaugh?), that he is almost certainly responsible for many of his feeds.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:22 amIs there really any such thing as a district court feeder or do they for the most part just work backwards for candidates that have good COAs? The sense I’ve gotten is that a good dct only really leads to scotus if paired with an appellate feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pmBoasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pmAny distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
Does it seem plausible though that anyone outside of those two are probably relying on (vastly) large part on the COA judge?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 amFriedrich can also feed on her own, but anyone with good enough grades to clerk for her can (and will) also clerk for a COA feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:33 amThat's probably the case for some of them, but some of them like Boasberg in DDC are so well connected with SCOTUS Justices (isn't he like best friends with Kavanaugh?), that he is almost certainly responsible for many of his feeds.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:22 amIs there really any such thing as a district court feeder or do they for the most part just work backwards for candidates that have good COAs? The sense I’ve gotten is that a good dct only really leads to scotus if paired with an appellate feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pmBoasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pmAny distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
There are others, but not many. Feinerman (N.D. Ill.) comes to mind.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:50 pmDoes it seem plausible though that anyone outside of those two are probably relying on (vastly) large part on the COA judge?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 amFriedrich can also feed on her own, but anyone with good enough grades to clerk for her can (and will) also clerk for a COA feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:33 amThat's probably the case for some of them, but some of them like Boasberg in DDC are so well connected with SCOTUS Justices (isn't he like best friends with Kavanaugh?), that he is almost certainly responsible for many of his feeds.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:22 amIs there really any such thing as a district court feeder or do they for the most part just work backwards for candidates that have good COAs? The sense I’ve gotten is that a good dct only really leads to scotus if paired with an appellate feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pmBoasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pmAny distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
I mean, if Katsas and McFadden team up to send a clerk to SCOTUS, I don't think that its a stretch to infer that Katsas is the driving force. That said, I am sure the justices take someone like McFadden very seriously and would deeply care what he has to say. Given that very few SCOTUS quality applicants only do district court clerkships, it will be hard to infer how these feeds work without a ton of inside knowledge.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:50 pmDoes it seem plausible though that anyone outside of those two are probably relying on (vastly) large part on the COA judge?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 amFriedrich can also feed on her own, but anyone with good enough grades to clerk for her can (and will) also clerk for a COA feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:33 amThat's probably the case for some of them, but some of them like Boasberg in DDC are so well connected with SCOTUS Justices (isn't he like best friends with Kavanaugh?), that he is almost certainly responsible for many of his feeds.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:22 amIs there really any such thing as a district court feeder or do they for the most part just work backwards for candidates that have good COAs? The sense I’ve gotten is that a good dct only really leads to scotus if paired with an appellate feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pmBoasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pmAny distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:16 pmSDNY: Oetken, Engelmayer, Furman, Rakoff.
DDC: Boasberg, Cooper, Friedrich, Moss.
To give you a bit of context, I'm asking this because I have offers from two district judges, one of whom is a more traditional "feeder" but the other of whom I like better. I want to have a shot at the Court, so was wondering if who I pick as my DCT Judge makes much of a difference (I have a semi-feeder to feeder appellate judge already lined up)Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:02 pmI mean, if Katsas and McFadden team up to send a clerk to SCOTUS, I don't think that its a stretch to infer that Katsas is the driving force. That said, I am sure the justices take someone like McFadden very seriously and would deeply care what he has to say. Given that very few SCOTUS quality applicants only do district court clerkships, it will be hard to infer how these feeds work without a ton of inside knowledge.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:50 pmDoes it seem plausible though that anyone outside of those two are probably relying on (vastly) large part on the COA judge?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 amFriedrich can also feed on her own, but anyone with good enough grades to clerk for her can (and will) also clerk for a COA feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:33 amThat's probably the case for some of them, but some of them like Boasberg in DDC are so well connected with SCOTUS Justices (isn't he like best friends with Kavanaugh?), that he is almost certainly responsible for many of his feeds.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:22 amIs there really any such thing as a district court feeder or do they for the most part just work backwards for candidates that have good COAs? The sense I’ve gotten is that a good dct only really leads to scotus if paired with an appellate feeder.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:30 pmBoasberg, Friedrich, Furman, and Oetken feed more than the rest, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're more competitive. So did Rakoff historically but I think it's not certain where he'll land without Katzmann--I would expect him to become at least mildly less competitive.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:27 pm
Any distinction between these or all the same level of competitiveness mostly?