2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Millet (DC) is filled for 22. Found out through an email from her chambers, which I assume she sent to all rejected applicants?
If it says "From the chambers of XYZ," then yes it's automated and sent to hundreds.
Gotta love the florid auto-sent rejection letters to hundreds of applicants whose packets didn't even meet a human set of eyes.
How often are these things personalized, compared to auto-sent rejection letters? I got a rejection letter from a judge in snail mail, stating that he was sure I would have a great career, but they already filled the spots for that term. I wonder if this was how the judge tells every candidate "no thanks," or if I should apply again for the next term. My qualifications may have been just a hair below what they normally take, but the rest of my resume fits with their hiring MO.

FWIW I applied through email, not OSCAR.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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lmao at Jerry Smith taking shots on OSCAR today:

I do not follow any law clerk hiring plan. The current, totally voluntary, plan has pretty much crashed and burned for unworkability and lack of interest.
I saw him give an hour-long speech on the plan. It was amazing. Judge Smith is such a boss.
Smith is the best. He also probably has the best hiring process out of any judge, he's incredibly open about his timelines, doesn't hide anything, and has a meaningful interview process. If other judges acted like him we wouldn't need the Plan, I can see why he disdains it after this past week.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:09 pm

Are people that accepted district court offers trying to parlay that into a COA clerkship for the year after? Do you just add a line on your resume that's like "Clerk for 'X' District Court Judge '21-'22 (forthcoming) and shoot out some more OSCAR apps?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Are people that accepted district court offers trying to parlay that into a COA clerkship for the year after? Do you just add a line on your resume that's like "Clerk for 'X' District Court Judge '21-'22 (forthcoming) and shoot out some more OSCAR apps?
Yes. I would also create an updated cover letter and make sure to change the setting in your OSCAR profile to indicate clerkship experience. Update any previous OSCAR COA apps also.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Are people that accepted district court offers trying to parlay that into a COA clerkship for the year after? Do you just add a line on your resume that's like "Clerk for 'X' District Court Judge '21-'22 (forthcoming) and shoot out some more OSCAR apps?
Yes. I would also create an updated cover letter and make sure to change the setting in your OSCAR profile to indicate clerkship experience. Update any previous OSCAR COA apps also.
Yep, this is the move. I figure it helps me punch above my weight. Though it feels really odd to put this judge's name on my resume more than a year before I even start working for him and like 72 hours after being hired.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by beepboopbeep » Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:09 pm

We saw apps like that all the time pre-plan. Not uncommon at all, though I get feeling weird about it. Typically the wording was "anticipated" rather than "forthcoming," though (which I think is typically just used for journal articles that aren't published yet?).

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Anyone heard from Judge Calabresi on CA2? Does he still only hire from YLS?
He has hired all of his clerks, and they're all from Yale (lol).

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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can I just say how depressing this all is? I don't go to a t14 or even a t30. Top 10% of class, strong softs, but nothing else. I feel very relegated to striking out for the rest of my career
he best chance for applications like this to get a look is if you can get a recommender to reach out sometime in the middle of the next year to a judge who’s willing to hire 3Ls and alums off of the plan schedule. You need to get your application looked at at a time when the judge doesn’t have 50 shinier ones in front of him/her, which all do right now (especially in competitive areas)

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol
I think we can expect movement–some judges are reviewing apps this weekend and others are going to need to interview more people when past interviewees decline offers given. As for competitive districts, I think we will see some movement the question is how much....

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol
There should be invitations going out both this coming week and the week of July 4.

A few SDNY and EDNY judges haven't moved. EDPA, EDVA, and DNJ seem to be mostly snail mail districts, and we haven't heard much about those yet.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol
A few SDNY and EDNY judges haven't moved.
I was under the impression most SDNY/EDNY hadn't moved yet... could you list all the judges from those two districts who have?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol
There should be invitations going out both this coming week and the week of July 4.

A few SDNY and EDNY judges haven't moved. EDPA, EDVA, and DNJ seem to be mostly snail mail districts, and we haven't heard much about those yet.
Beetlestone in EDPA is full as per OSCAR

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:40 pm

For those still looking, try Nielson (D. Utah). My understanding is basically everyone he hires goes on to an appellate clerkship-- several in CA9, other big names/feeders.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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For those still looking, try Nielson (D. Utah). My understanding is basically everyone he hires goes on to an appellate clerkship-- several in CA9, other big names/feeders.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Good luck everyone

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Chang (ND Ill) and Kronstadt (CD Cal) have filled.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol
A few SDNY and EDNY judges haven't moved.
I was under the impression most SDNY/EDNY hadn't moved yet... could you list all the judges from those two districts who have?
There are way too many judges to list for SDNY and EDNY. According to my understanding, about half of the Brooklyn EDNY judges are done for 2021, and about 2/3 of the Manhattan SDNY judges.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:41 pm

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Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:20 pm
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Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:41 am
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Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:23 am
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:13 pm
Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol
A few SDNY and EDNY judges haven't moved.
I was under the impression most SDNY/EDNY hadn't moved yet... could you list all the judges from those two districts who have?
There are way too many judges to list for SDNY and EDNY. According to my understanding, about half of the Brooklyn EDNY judges are done for 2021, and about 2/3 of the Manhattan SDNY judges.
If anyone else has the info, could they list the judges? I haven’t seen thaaat many SDNY judges listed so far and only like 3 EDNY judges, so just wondering who else has moved

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:57 pm

A lot of the SDNY judges hire more than one year out, so they were never even hiring for 2021 this Plan cycle.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:11 pm

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Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:41 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:20 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:41 am
Wild Card wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:23 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:13 pm
Does anyone have any idea how much movement we should expect this upcoming week? Like do any of the competitive districts still have judges who haven’t sent interviews yet? Looking for some hope lol
A few SDNY and EDNY judges haven't moved.
I was under the impression most SDNY/EDNY hadn't moved yet... could you list all the judges from those two districts who have?
There are way too many judges to list for SDNY and EDNY. According to my understanding, about half of the Brooklyn EDNY judges are done for 2021, and about 2/3 of the Manhattan SDNY judges.
If anyone else has the info, could they list the judges? I haven’t seen thaaat many SDNY judges listed so far and only like 3 EDNY judges, so just wondering who else has moved
Based on OSCAR and past posts in this thread (for 2021 and 2022 terms): Torres, Oetken, Komitee, Ramos, Schofield, Komitee, Engelmayer, Nathan, Caproni, Kovner have either filled their spots or began interviewing

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:16 pm

Do you think we will see more COA movement this week for judges who either haven't interviewed yet and/or judges who have interviewed and extended offers but some of their offers were turned down?

I think some COA judges are still in their first batch of interviews and haven't extended any offers yet so it may take a little longer for them to reach out again for more interviews depending on what their offer acceptance rate is like.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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A lot of the SDNY judges hire more than one year out, so they were never even hiring for 2021 this Plan cycle.
Some of them, especially senior judges, have more idiosyncratic hiring practices too, i.e., I’ve heard Marrero only does interviews and hiring every other year for two terms at a time. Last year he hired for 2021 and 2022.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Do you think we will see more COA movement this week for judges who either haven't interviewed yet and/or judges who have interviewed and extended offers but some of their offers were turned down?

I think some COA judges are still in their first batch of interviews and haven't extended any offers yet so it may take a little longer for them to reach out again for more interviews depending on what their offer acceptance rate is like.
I think we'll definitely see more movement from both DCT and COA judges, now that judges have had the week/weekend to go through applications and the dust has settled with the first batch of offers/acceptances that went out last week.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:36 am

Does this email mean anything other than what it says on its face? Sent from the Administrative Assistant of a COA Judge.

"This email has been sent to you from the Chambers of Judge [redacted]

Thank you for your application for a clerkship during the 2021-2022 term. For the 2021-2022 term, Judge [Redacted] plans to review applications and conduct interviews on a rolling basis. Your application should be continually updated through March 2021."

The hopeful part of me thinks this is an indication of a forthcoming interview (had a strong recommender who personally knows this judge call). The pessimistic part of me thinks this is simply a form email that the judge is going to put off interviews. Any insight?

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