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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Did anyone apply to Edith Jones (5th Cir.)
Me! Have heard nada. Had to do paper

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Did anyone apply to Edith Jones (5th Cir.)
She has hired at least one person for 2021.

Also, as an aside, and without continuing the argument about what level of abuse is acceptable from a judge, I once had a conversation with a Fifth Circuit insider who told me their "number one" piece of advice for students is "never work for Edith Jones."

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Eltreakol1234 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:35 pm

Any movement from D AZ or WDKY/ EDKY or D RI? (I know, weird mix of places.)

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any movement from D AZ or WDKY/ EDKY or D RI? (I know, weird mix of places.)
Are you me? +1 on curiosity.

Just from what I know, Judge Snow is filled, and apparently Bolton is interviewing? McConnell is also interviewing apparently

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:11 pm

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Did anyone apply to Edith Jones (5th Cir.)
Have also applied and not heard anything. Evidently she has a rep for moving slowly in past years, but I also know she hired another student from my school around this time last year.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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D.Ct. clerk in NDCA/CDCA chiming in. I know that at least 4-5 DJs in each district have interviewed. I am unsure about offers. My understanding is that the career services offices at HYS (and perhaps other schools?) try to track which judges have interviewed and given offers, so current students at those schools likely have the best information about the state of the California market.

A few DJs have long filled some of their fall 2021 slots with Class of 2020 students who are coming off of COA clerkships. Given the increasing tendency for top candidates to do both D. Ct. and COA clerkships, my sense is that many chambers are exclusively interviewing COA-quality clerks. I hear that some elite West Coast litigation shops have pushed their summer associates to consider doing both clerkships; I imagine that elite East Coast litigation shops are dispensing similar advice.
Thanks for your insight. Any idea on SDCA? Are the judges hiring COA clerks known to be more competitive, or is it pretty much district wide?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any word on Park or Menashi?

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Any word on Park or Menashi?
My guess is that they're both full - Park was mentioned earlier too

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:40 pm

Does anyone know if OSCAR applications to Justin Walker's district chambers roll over now that he's confirmed to the D.C. Circuit?

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Does anyone know if OSCAR applications to Justin Walker's district chambers roll over now that he's confirmed to the D.C. Circuit?
Last I heard, he is letting Jesus take the wheel.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:50 pm

Day four of tea leaf reading - maybe things are moving slower because some judges mistakenly think they’ll be able to have in-person interviews if they wait long enough. I don’t think that’s going to be realistic any time soon, but I get the impulse. As an applicant who applied broadly to D. Cts, it would be weird to accept a job in a city I’ve never been to and I definitely see why a lot of judges would rather have a more normal process.

Have all the interviews people have had so far been Zoom or phone?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Does anyone know if OSCAR applications to Justin Walker's district chambers roll over now that he's confirmed to the D.C. Circuit?
I would expect he will take a quick break from hiring and then hire very early in fall/get some Yale 1Ls - he's probably reaching out privately to see if he can poach top FedSoc students that might not have been as interested back when he was just a District Court Judge in Kentucky.

I doubt he was ever on-Plan.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:58 pm

Going crazy and feeling pretty disheartened by lack of COA movement for my apps. Is there any hope for movement next week for non-feeders?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Wild Card » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:06 pm

Any word on the E.D.N.Y. judges, besides Kovner, Kommittee, and Amon?

It's good of Kovner to update daily: 1 left for 21-22, 2 left for 22-23.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:08 pm

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Does anyone know if OSCAR applications to Justin Walker's district chambers roll over now that he's confirmed to the D.C. Circuit?
I would expect he will take a quick break from hiring and then hire very early in fall/get some Yale 1Ls - he's probably reaching out privately to see if he can poach top FedSoc students that might not have been as interested back when he was just a District Court Judge in Kentucky.

I doubt he was ever on-Plan.
He is not on plan. He has been interviewing for the 2021-22 term W.D. Ky. positions over the past few months.
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Last I heard, he is letting Jesus take the wheel.
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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:15 pm

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:06 pm
Any word on the E.D.N.Y. judges, besides Kovner, Kommittee, and Amon?

It's good of Kovner to update daily: 1 left for 21-22, 2 left for 22-23.
Someone mentioned in the other thread that Brodie is interviewing.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:20 pm

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D.Ct. clerk in NDCA/CDCA chiming in. I know that at least 4-5 DJs in each district have interviewed. I am unsure about offers. My understanding is that the career services offices at HYS (and perhaps other schools?) try to track which judges have interviewed and given offers, so current students at those schools likely have the best information about the state of the California market.

A few DJs have long filled some of their fall 2021 slots with Class of 2020 students who are coming off of COA clerkships. Given the increasing tendency for top candidates to do both D. Ct. and COA clerkships, my sense is that many chambers are exclusively interviewing COA-quality clerks. I hear that some elite West Coast litigation shops have pushed their summer associates to consider doing both clerkships; I imagine that elite East Coast litigation shops are dispensing similar advice.
Thanks for your insight. Any idea on SDCA? Are the judges hiring COA clerks known to be more competitive, or is it pretty much district wide?
Original commenter here. I don't know what is going on with SDCA. My law school has sent very few people there, and those people are not in my social networks.

To your other question, my information sources are skewed, so my impression may be skewed. My information about the market in NDCA/CDCA comes from personal networks and my law school's career office . . . I am best informed about judges in NDCA/CDCA who like to draw from HYS and the tops of Berkeley/UCLA/USC. Of course, even for these or similar judges, I think that on reflection, my statement is a bit of an overgeneralization. Moreover, there are judges in both districts who tend to hire heavily from local schools. For example, many judges in CDCA hire consistently from the top of the class at Loyola. Also, judges who prefer a few years' work experience, tend to hire folks who are only interested in a district court clerkship. After all, financially speaking, it's much harder to justify taking two years off if you're well into your career.

Rather than stressing about how exactly judges are operating, I think the best thing is to shoot your shot! It's quite a random process anyway.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:26 pm

Any news on D.Mass, DNH, or D. Conn? I saw Saris extended interviews but wasn't sure about anyone else.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:32 pm

HYS here, middle-of-the-pack grades (I'd guess 65th percentile), secondary journal leadership, very good softs/work experience & strong recs. Applied to a few dozen D.Ct./COA -- nothing unusually competitive, but mostly coastal -- and heard nothing this week. In case anyone finds this helpful.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:33 pm

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:40 pm
Eltreakol1234 wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:35 pm
Any movement from D AZ or WDKY/ EDKY or D RI? (I know, weird mix of places.)
Are you me? +1 on curiosity.

Just from what I know, Judge Snow is filled, and apparently Bolton is interviewing? McConnell is also interviewing apparently
How can Snow be filled already if today is his only interview day (per OSCAR)?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:35 pm

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:08 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:54 pm
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:40 pm
Does anyone know if OSCAR applications to Justin Walker's district chambers roll over now that he's confirmed to the D.C. Circuit?
I would expect he will take a quick break from hiring and then hire very early in fall/get some Yale 1Ls - he's probably reaching out privately to see if he can poach top FedSoc students that might not have been as interested back when he was just a District Court Judge in Kentucky.

I doubt he was ever on-Plan.
He is not on plan. He has been interviewing for the 2021-22 term W.D. Ky. positions over the past few months.
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Last I heard, he is letting Jesus take the wheel.
Please keep your hate to yourself.
Oh, man. The use of the word "hate" here is pretty incredible. Bless you on your journey. :lol:

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any news on D.Mass, DNH, or D. Conn? I saw Saris extended interviews but wasn't sure about anyone else.
Janet Hall (D. Conn.) has offered interviews. I'm also interested in whether other judges in D. Mass., D.N.H., and D. Conn. have moved

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