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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Anyone heard of D. Maryland movement?
Hollander is interviewing
Hollander has a bad reputation for being a screamer and having a toxic chambers environment FYI.
This is the second time I've seen this posted here. Could you elaborate in any way? I have an interview with her. I heard her clerks work very hard, but this sounds bad. I'm OK with being insulted and cursed at, provided that she doesn't fire me.

For instance, Berman (S.D.N.Y.) routinely fires clerks.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by cheaptilts » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:03 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:51 am
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:06 am
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:05 am
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:58 am
Anyone heard of D. Maryland movement?
Hollander is interviewing
Hollander has a bad reputation for being a screamer and having a toxic chambers environment FYI.
This is the second time I've seen this posted here. Could you elaborate in any way? I have an interview with her. I heard her clerks work very hard, but this sounds bad. I'm OK with being insulted and cursed at, provided that she doesn't fire me.

For instance, Berman (S.D.N.Y.) routinely fires clerks.
You should value yourself more. No clerkship is worth getting insulted or screamed at by your boss. And yes, that includes every clerkship at any level.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by ayylmao » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:31 am

cheaptilts wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:03 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:06 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:05 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:58 am
Anyone heard of D. Maryland movement?
Hollander is interviewing
Hollander has a bad reputation for being a screamer and having a toxic chambers environment FYI.
This is the second time I've seen this posted here. Could you elaborate in any way? I have an interview with her. I heard her clerks work very hard, but this sounds bad. I'm OK with being insulted and cursed at, provided that she doesn't fire me.

For instance, Berman (S.D.N.Y.) routinely fires clerks.
You should value yourself more. No clerkship is worth getting insulted or screamed at by your boss. And yes, that includes every clerkship at any level.
I disagree, especially with respect to clerkships on elite districts and circuits like SDNY/2/9/DC. The credential sits on your resume for the rest of your life, and working people often endure bad bosses (and much worse) for far longer than one year. Sexual harassment is a different story, but I'd rather have an elite clerkship with a bad boss than no clerkship at all.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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You should value yourself more. No clerkship is worth getting insulted or screamed at by your boss. And yes, that includes every clerkship at any level.
I value myself as a human being very highly. However, the market has deemed me and my degree of little worth. I am replaceable and expendable. Anyone (partners or associates) can scream at me and insult me with impunity.

I feel deeply bad for Uber drivers, but I'm not about to tell them to value themselves more. Try walking down a Red Light District and telling the human beings there to value themselves more.

To be able to turn down a clerkship is a luxury--one that you may have worked extremely hard for--but a luxury nonetheless. The market is extremely oversaturated, and a clerkship is the best way for some of us to get a job and to keep it, so that we can pay off our $200,000+ debt load.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:35 am

Can someone speak to Judge Donato's reputation?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:35 am

Plz stop we have other threads to discuss bad bosses and the value of those jobs.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by cheaptilts » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:37 am

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:34 am
cheaptilts wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:03 am
You should value yourself more. No clerkship is worth getting insulted or screamed at by your boss. And yes, that includes every clerkship at any level.
I value myself as a human being very highly. However, the market has deemed me and my degree of little worth. I am replaceable and expendable. Anyone (partners or associates) can scream at me and insult me with impunity.

I feel deeply bad for Uber drivers, but I'm not about to tell them to value themselves more. Try walking down a Red Light District and telling the human beings there to value themselves more.

To be able to turn down a clerkship is a luxury--one that you may have worked extremely hard for--but a luxury nonetheless. The market is extremely oversaturated, and a clerkship is the only way for some of us to get a job and to keep it, so that we can pay off our $200,000+ debt load.
Yikes. “I, as a law student, do not have the luxury to turn down a clerkship opportunity from a random judge on the district court for the district of Maryland. How will my career ever survive?”

There are more judges and more opportunities to clerk, if one wants to clerk. No need to subject yourself to insult and screaming. Super weird that multiple people seem okay with that all for a middling clerkship at best (or any clerkship for that matter)

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:42 am

Jfc, is it too much to ask for one useful clerkship thread on TLS that doesn't devolve into a petty, moralizing argument?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by nixy » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:44 am

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Just another venting post. Three interviews this week (one in a semi-competitive district, two in non-competitive districts), and complete radio silence afterward. I punched way above my stats somehow (top 20% at a T20, LR exec but that's it) so I wasn't expecting anything good this cycle, but I can't help but kick myself for somehow botching these opportunities.
1) there are no “non-competitive” districts, just some are more competitive than others
2) unless you’ve been rejected or know the opening has been filled, you can’t count yourself out yet
3) you didn’t botch anything. There are way more applicants that there are positions. Someone on this site said getting a clerkship is 20% ability/merit and 80% luck, and I think that’s about right. I mean, it completely sucks and I completely sympathize with you, but I don’t think you should blame yourself by saying you botched this.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:58 am

"Long shot" poster back (the one without the grades or a journal). Offer and accepted in W.D Tex. You never know!

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:00 pm

Anyone with final word on whether Fitzwater has hired? Im guessing so

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:00 pm

This thread would be better as a spreadsheet. We’re all anxious enough without reading how anxious everyone else is or engaging in debates about hypothetical opportunities. As far as I can tell, just checking statuses on OSCAR is much more reliable. Looks like only a small minority of judges (mostly in competitive courts) have filled. The vast majority are still in bounds.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Has anyone heard of Costa on the 5th Cir extending any interviews?
yep + fairly quick turnaround
Hi, thanks for the reply. Same anon here. Is he full as far as you know?
can confirm that at least one spot with Costa is taken

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by armsfarther » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:10 pm

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"Long shot" poster back (the one without the grades or a journal). Offer and accepted in W.D Tex. You never know!
Congratulations!!

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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"Long shot" poster back (the one without the grades or a journal). Offer and accepted in W.D Tex. You never know!
Congratulations!

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by winmore1228 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:00 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:47 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:33 am
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:30 am
Has anyone heard of Costa on the 5th Cir extending any interviews?
yep + fairly quick turnaround
Hi, thanks for the reply. Same anon here. Is he full as far as you know?
can confirm that at least one spot with Costa is taken
Do you know when that person interviewed? He was still interviewing as of yesterday

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:50 pm

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This thread would be better as a spreadsheet. We’re all anxious enough without reading how anxious everyone else is or engaging in debates about hypothetical opportunities. As far as I can tell, just checking statuses on OSCAR is much more reliable. Looks like only a small minority of judges (mostly in competitive courts) have filled. The vast majority are still in bounds.
Judges are notorious for never updating OSCAR

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:55 pm

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Any movement by Du (NV)?
Du has moved, calls went out last night. Clerks seemed to suggest that this was a long process (20ish interviewees) but that they would find their two clerks from this pile.

(sort of writing on the wall for others who haven't heard)

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:57 pm

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:50 pm
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This thread would be better as a spreadsheet. We’re all anxious enough without reading how anxious everyone else is or engaging in debates about hypothetical opportunities. As far as I can tell, just checking statuses on OSCAR is much more reliable. Looks like only a small minority of judges (mostly in competitive courts) have filled. The vast majority are still in bounds.
Judges are notorious for never updating OSCAR
Boasberg, Howell, Oetken have updated OSCAR and filled.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:01 pm

Any word on what 9th circuit judges are still interviewing? Or are there some that haven’t even started yet? I know the feeders are done by now but wondering about the rest.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Has anyone heard from district judges in Utah?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any word on what 9th circuit judges are still interviewing? Or are there some that haven’t even started yet? I know the feeders are done by now but wondering about the rest.
A classmate (CCN) got an interview offer with Thomas last night

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:14 pm

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:50 pm
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This thread would be better as a spreadsheet. We’re all anxious enough without reading how anxious everyone else is or engaging in debates about hypothetical opportunities. As far as I can tell, just checking statuses on OSCAR is much more reliable. Looks like only a small minority of judges (mostly in competitive courts) have filled. The vast majority are still in bounds.
Judges are notorious for never updating OSCAR
^Yes, heard this too!!

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:16 pm

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:07 pm
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Any word on what 9th circuit judges are still interviewing? Or are there some that haven’t even started yet? I know the feeders are done by now but wondering about the rest.
A classmate (CCN) got an interview offer with Thomas last night
On a related note, what is the turn around time between interviews and offers for non-feeder COA judges?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:24 pm

Did anyone apply to Edith Jones (5th Cir.)

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