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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:48 pm

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Does anyone know if updating OSCAR applications actually ever gets your application a second look? I have an updated resume with info that I think makes me a stronger candidate, but it seems implausible to me that judges who already looked at my app would look a second time just because my OSCAR app was updated.
I collect applications for my judge; I see updates and I don't care, because anyone can update anytime for any reason. I might take a second look if I already flagged you as a very desirable candidate.

In other words, you should send directly to chambers.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:37 pm

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Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:48 pm
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Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm
Does anyone know if updating OSCAR applications actually ever gets your application a second look? I have an updated resume with info that I think makes me a stronger candidate, but it seems implausible to me that judges who already looked at my app would look a second time just because my OSCAR app was updated.
I collect applications for my judge; I see updates and I don't care, because anyone can update anytime for any reason. I might take a second look if I already flagged you as a very desirable candidate.

In other words, you should send directly to chambers.
Seems like a poor policy as the most common reason to update is probably securing a new clerkship. In any case how would we send a resume directly to chambers assuming there's no email address, which is true for the vast majority of judges?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:41 pm

Any idea if Lamberth or Nichols (both DDC) are full? I know Lamberth hired one quite a while ago so he probably is but I haven't seen or heard anything about Nichols moving.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:02 am

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Just got invited to V. Roberts's (EDMI) writing test. I heard its brutal...any insight?
Also interested in any insight on this! What do you mean by brutal btw - what have you heard?
Have you gotten an interview offer from Judge Roberts?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by nixy » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:48 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:37 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm
Does anyone know if updating OSCAR applications actually ever gets your application a second look? I have an updated resume with info that I think makes me a stronger candidate, but it seems implausible to me that judges who already looked at my app would look a second time just because my OSCAR app was updated.
I collect applications for my judge; I see updates and I don't care, because anyone can update anytime for any reason. I might take a second look if I already flagged you as a very desirable candidate.

In other words, you should send directly to chambers.
Seems like a poor policy as the most common reason to update is probably securing a new clerkship. In any case how would we send a resume directly to chambers assuming there's no email address, which is true for the vast majority of judges?
Snail mail always gets looked at, although not as quickly these days b/c people may not be in chambers as frequently. (It may get tossed the next moment, but it'll be looked at.)

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by nononono24 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:51 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:02 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:28 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:20 am
Just got invited to V. Roberts's (EDMI) writing test. I heard its brutal...any insight?
Also interested in any insight on this! What do you mean by brutal btw - what have you heard?
Have you gotten an interview offer from Judge Roberts?
Also curious to see if anyone has gotten an interview with her/has a sense of what her timeline is like after the writing test

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:04 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:02 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:28 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:20 am
Just got invited to V. Roberts's (EDMI) writing test. I heard its brutal...any insight?
Also interested in any insight on this! What do you mean by brutal btw - what have you heard?
Have you gotten an interview offer from Judge Roberts?
Is she sending out interview requests already? The writing test was just Monday.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:46 am

Any movement in EDNY at all lately?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:51 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:04 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:02 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:28 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:20 am
Just got invited to V. Roberts's (EDMI) writing test. I heard its brutal...any insight?
Also interested in any insight on this! What do you mean by brutal btw - what have you heard?
Have you gotten an interview offer from Judge Roberts?
Is she sending out interview requests already? The writing test was just Monday.
I don't know of anyone who has gotten an interview from either Monday's round or the one she had a few weeks ago. Rejections after the first round went out about a week after the writing test. Between the two rounds, almost 100 people did that writing test so I imagine it'll take a while for her clerks to go through everyone's samples. Plus, she's participating in JTB so she might just plan to interview through that in mid-August.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:59 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:37 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm
Does anyone know if updating OSCAR applications actually ever gets your application a second look? I have an updated resume with info that I think makes me a stronger candidate, but it seems implausible to me that judges who already looked at my app would look a second time just because my OSCAR app was updated.
I collect applications for my judge; I see updates and I don't care, because anyone can update anytime for any reason. I might take a second look if I already flagged you as a very desirable candidate.

In other words, you should send directly to chambers.
Seems like a poor policy as the most common reason to update is probably securing a new clerkship. In any case how would we send a resume directly to chambers assuming there's no email address, which is true for the vast majority of judges?
I've admittedly never checked, because like the other clerk I rarely note whether an application is marked "updated." But I seriously doubt the most common reason to update is securing a new clerkship. (My guess would be LoRs moving from "pending" to "submitted.") For reference, my judge opened applications in June and we already have well over 100 "updated" applications.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:37 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:59 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:37 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm
Does anyone know if updating OSCAR applications actually ever gets your application a second look? I have an updated resume with info that I think makes me a stronger candidate, but it seems implausible to me that judges who already looked at my app would look a second time just because my OSCAR app was updated.
I collect applications for my judge; I see updates and I don't care, because anyone can update anytime for any reason. I might take a second look if I already flagged you as a very desirable candidate.

In other words, you should send directly to chambers.
Seems like a poor policy as the most common reason to update is probably securing a new clerkship. In any case how would we send a resume directly to chambers assuming there's no email address, which is true for the vast majority of judges?
I've admittedly never checked, because like the other clerk I rarely note whether an application is marked "updated." But I seriously doubt the most common reason to update is securing a new clerkship. (My guess would be LoRs moving from "pending" to "submitted.") For reference, my judge opened applications in June and we already have well over 100 "updated" applications.
Re: LoRs, absent some special relationship between the judge and the letter writer, do you usually wait to receive those before deciding whether the applicant is worth considering, or are they just icing on the cake?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:54 am

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Re: LoRs, absent some special relationship between the judge and the letter writer, do you usually wait to receive those before deciding whether the applicant is worth considering, or are they just icing on the cake?
When I was screening applications, we absolutely considered LORs when deciding whether to interview someone, but we only looked closely at them if the rest of the application was strong. (I'd say I looked at LORs and writing samples for, say, a third of applicants, which is actually quite a lot). If we hadn't received LORs yet, I don't think we would have interviewed the applicant at all (*maybe* if one letter was outstanding, but if they just didn't have letters, we would probably have not considered that candidate).

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:04 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:02 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:28 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:20 am
Just got invited to V. Roberts's (EDMI) writing test. I heard its brutal...any insight?
Also interested in any insight on this! What do you mean by brutal btw - what have you heard?
Have you gotten an interview offer from Judge Roberts?
Is she sending out interview requests already? The writing test was just Monday.
I don't know of anyone who has gotten an interview from either Monday's round or the one she had a few weeks ago. Rejections after the first round went out about a week after the writing test. Between the two rounds, almost 100 people did that writing test so I imagine it'll take a while for her clerks to go through everyone's samples. Plus, she's participating in JTB so she might just plan to interview through that in mid-August.
Do you know if she sent everyone that applied to her an offer to complete the writing assignment? I do know she is hiring for the 2020-2021 term and 2021-2022 term.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:04 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:02 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:28 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:20 am
Just got invited to V. Roberts's (EDMI) writing test. I heard its brutal...any insight?
Also interested in any insight on this! What do you mean by brutal btw - what have you heard?
Have you gotten an interview offer from Judge Roberts?
Is she sending out interview requests already? The writing test was just Monday.
I don't know of anyone who has gotten an interview from either Monday's round or the one she had a few weeks ago. Rejections after the first round went out about a week after the writing test. Between the two rounds, almost 100 people did that writing test so I imagine it'll take a while for her clerks to go through everyone's samples. Plus, she's participating in JTB so she might just plan to interview through that in mid-August.
Does anyone know her timeline for sure? Also, does the writing test serve as some sort of a cut off? Or will Roberts view all application materials holistically?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:26 pm

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Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:54 am
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:37 am

Re: LoRs, absent some special relationship between the judge and the letter writer, do you usually wait to receive those before deciding whether the applicant is worth considering, or are they just icing on the cake?
When I was screening applications, we absolutely considered LORs when deciding whether to interview someone, but we only looked closely at them if the rest of the application was strong. (I'd say I looked at LORs and writing samples for, say, a third of applicants, which is actually quite a lot). If we hadn't received LORs yet, I don't think we would have interviewed the applicant at all (*maybe* if one letter was outstanding, but if they just didn't have letters, we would probably have not considered that candidate).
+1. LoRs are pretty important, and are not just icing on the cake. Our chambers wouldn't pass along an app to the judge unless it had two strong letters.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:26 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:54 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:37 am

Re: LoRs, absent some special relationship between the judge and the letter writer, do you usually wait to receive those before deciding whether the applicant is worth considering, or are they just icing on the cake?
When I was screening applications, we absolutely considered LORs when deciding whether to interview someone, but we only looked closely at them if the rest of the application was strong. (I'd say I looked at LORs and writing samples for, say, a third of applicants, which is actually quite a lot). If we hadn't received LORs yet, I don't think we would have interviewed the applicant at all (*maybe* if one letter was outstanding, but if they just didn't have letters, we would probably have not considered that candidate).
+1. LoRs are pretty important, and are not just icing on the cake. Our chambers wouldn't pass along an app to the judge unless it had two strong letters.
Ok thanks to both of you. I don't have any concerns about the quality of my letters; I just ask because my law school has been frustratingly slow about getting them uploaded as I've sent in new apps. I did have one judge give me an interview with only 2/3 letters, but I was wondering if that was the exception to the rule.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:25 pm

This isn't a question about movement or a specific judge but....was anyone else interviewed by a judge during the first week of the plan, and then outright ghosted (like, never rejected or given an update)?! I haven't heard a peep, and it's bizarre.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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This isn't a question about movement or a specific judge but....was anyone else interviewed by a judge during the first week of the plan, and then outright ghosted (like, never rejected or given an update)?! I haven't heard a peep, and it's bizarre.
Yes, and I feel your pain. The judge's post is still open on Oscar so I have a modicum of hope, but after he told me he'd get back to me "by the end of the week," I don't feel much encouraged.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:25 pm
This isn't a question about movement or a specific judge but....was anyone else interviewed by a judge during the first week of the plan, and then outright ghosted (like, never rejected or given an update)?! I haven't heard a peep, and it's bizarre.
Yep. I interviewed that first Thursday with a judge's clerks, and I was explicitly told that I was moving on to the second round for an interview with a judge. And it's been crickets since, so I don't even know if I'm still in the running and they're just extremely behind, or if I've just been ghosted.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:27 pm

Any other movement this week (besides V. Roberts)?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any news on Judge Hazel? He recently posted a position.

I noticed as well. Does anyone know Judge Hazel's timeline.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any other movement this week (besides V. Roberts)?
Are there other Judges that do writing tests like V. Roberts? A friend of mine got invited to do hers and she said it was something that no applicant without clerkship experience would know how to do.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any other movement this week (besides V. Roberts)?
Other than V. Roberts has anyone heard back from any judge participating in the Just The Beginning program?

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:33 pm

Any update on the DDC judges whose positions remain open on OSCAR? As of today that is Judge Friedrich, Judge Kelly, Judge Moss, and Judge Nichols. Thanks in advance.

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Re: 2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread

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Any update on the DDC judges whose positions remain open on OSCAR? As of today that is Judge Friedrich, Judge Kelly, Judge Moss, and Judge Nichols. Thanks in advance.
Moss has already hired at least one clerk for 2023, which I suspect means he's done for 2022.

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