Helpful to see at least a few trials since so many of the standards revolve around trial (especially "what could a jury reasonably do?" or "what would be admissible or lead to admissible evidence?"). You don't have to see a ton, but then clerkships are generally only a year long.Nebby wrote:I said most people!A. Nony Mouse wrote:For some of us they are.Nebby wrote:True! Because trials are so common in most people's practiceA. Nony Mouse wrote:But rarely trials.Nebby wrote:I think I've come to the conclusion that if anyone actually wants a clerkship experience that will make them a better litigator, they should clerk for a mag. They see all the real action.
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paidNebby wrote:What does a d clerk get that they can't if they just went and watched trials?
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Access to all the pretrial litigation and the reasoning behind the judge's decisions about what stays in and what stays out and how the trial will be structured and all kinds of shit you don't see as a spectator in the courtroom. Info on how the sausage gets made - judges have a different perspective from either of the parties and invariably shift the focus around a little bit - you see that from the inside and learn why they do that, rather than just react as one of the parties.Nebby wrote:What does a d clerk get that they can't if they just went and watched trials?
It's not like you can't be a great litigator without clerking, but if you are a litigator, clerking is always going to teach you something.
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if you are really lucky you get the judge instant messaging you criticism of the attorneys live during trials
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Now that we've established that HYS sux and mag > d. ct, it's time to move on to discussing how getting worse grades means you're a better student
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Lolradio1nowhere wrote:Now that we've established that HYS sux and mag > d. ct, it's time to move on to discussing how getting worse grades means you're a better student
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Found the Harvard grad.radio1nowhere wrote:Now that we've established that HYS sux and mag > d. ct, it's time to move on to discussing how getting worse grades means you're a better student
Oh wait, you actually go to Harvard? Of course you do. I think we can close this thread now, it's all downhill from here.
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Just joking around my dudeMr. Blackacre wrote:Found the Harvard grad.radio1nowhere wrote:Now that we've established that HYS sux and mag > d. ct, it's time to move on to discussing how getting worse grades means you're a better student
Oh wait, you actually go to Harvard? Of course you do. I think we can close this thread now, it's all downhill from here.
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mag clerk here.. I spend a lot of time doing stuff any reasonably intelligent high school grad could be trained to do in a couple of weeks. It probably is more practically applicable training for a typical litigator, but I think DJ clerks spend more time doing serious research and analysis. Most of our motions end up resolved by asking ourselves "is this discovery request reasonable under the circumstances? yeah, I guess it is".
Oh, and CLS grads are the most insufferable in my experience.
Oh, and CLS grads are the most insufferable in my experience.
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Yeah we had sort of a "what'd the attorneys' do well and horribly" session for trials.Access to all the pretrial litigation and the reasoning behind the judge's decisions about what stays in and what stays out and how the trial will be structured and all kinds of shit you don't see as a spectator in the courtroom. Info on how the sausage gets made - judges have a different perspective from either of the parties and invariably shift the focus around a little bit - you see that from the inside and learn why they do that, rather than just react as one of the parties.
Also we were allowed to be part of sidebars when the issues pertained to something we worked on. That was cool -- attorneys would argue, then go sit down, then we'd discuss with the judge what he should do, and then he'd make a decision.
I think that's the problem with being on the side of resolving discovery disputes. For the most part, on the litigator side, I tend to see discovery liberally granted unless the requests are clearly overreaching or there is something else at play, e.g., privilege or privacy problems. Every once in a blue moon there will be some interesting issue to brief, but the vast majority of the time it's just one side overreaching or the other side stonewalling because the clients don't want to give shit up or the attorneys just want to play hardball.mag clerk here.. I spend a lot of time doing stuff any reasonably intelligent high school grad could be trained to do in a couple of weeks. It probably is more practically applicable training for a typical litigator, but I think DJ clerks spend more time doing serious research and analysis. Most of our motions end up resolved by asking ourselves "is this discovery request reasonable under the circumstances? yeah, I guess it is".
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This is seriously the best part of being in trial. My judge has a wicked sense of humor and is not shy about sending me really snarky comments; I've nearly LOL'd more than once and had to turn it into a cough.grand inquisitor wrote:if you are really lucky you get the judge instant messaging you criticism of the attorneys live during trials
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my personal goal during my year was to make judge laugh out loud while on the bench. i finally succeeded during a suppression hearing, strangely enough.
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OP here.
I haven't logged in for a bit and woahhhh. One thing I can confirm are that the clerks went to HLS. So you all are right. One thing though is that they seem to have calmed down now. Maybe a bit of feather puffing?!
I haven't logged in for a bit and woahhhh. One thing I can confirm are that the clerks went to HLS. So you all are right. One thing though is that they seem to have calmed down now. Maybe a bit of feather puffing?!
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Possibly. If you all just started, there can be a lot of posturing at the beginning and people trying to reassure themselves that they belong and will do well.Anonymous User wrote:OP here.
I haven't logged in for a bit and woahhhh. One thing I can confirm are that the clerks went to HLS. So you all are right. One thing though is that they seem to have calmed down now. Maybe a bit of feather puffing?!
Whatever it is, I'm glad things seem to be going better.
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Yep. I saw the same thing when I just starting. I guess those people wanted to prove that they belonged.mjb447 wrote:Possibly. If you all just started, there can be a lot of posturing at the beginning and people trying to reassure themselves that they belong and will do well.Anonymous User wrote:OP here.
I haven't logged in for a bit and woahhhh. One thing I can confirm are that the clerks went to HLS. So you all are right. One thing though is that they seem to have calmed down now. Maybe a bit of feather puffing?!
Whatever it is, I'm glad things seem to be going better.
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Ha. Well, glad things are calm now. Hope you're enjoying the clerkship.lavarman84 wrote:Yep. I saw the same thing when I just starting. I guess those people wanted to prove that they belonged.mjb447 wrote:Possibly. If you all just started, there can be a lot of posturing at the beginning and people trying to reassure themselves that they belong and will do well.Anonymous User wrote:OP here.
I haven't logged in for a bit and woahhhh. One thing I can confirm are that the clerks went to HLS. So you all are right. One thing though is that they seem to have calmed down now. Maybe a bit of feather puffing?!
Whatever it is, I'm glad things seem to be going better.
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I also noticed this summer that some people from (presumably) competitive, dickish schools started out expecting everyone else to be competitive and dickish. But by the second week they just chilled out when they realized everyone was normal and they didn't have to be defensive assholes.
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