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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid
interestingly, Kosinski is the only judge I ever heard the whispers about. Obviously he can't be the only one, but one wonders if he really is that dramatic an outlier
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jd20132013 wrote:interestingly, Kosinski is the only judge I ever heard the whispers about. Obviously he can't be the only one, but one wonders if he really is that dramatic an outlier
Ha. Kozinski does not stand alone
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Rumblings are that 3 clerks just straight up quit.JusticeJackson wrote:Kozinski has probably hired clerks 3 years out. I bet at least some of them are getting cold feet at this point.
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Damn. Seems like you’d finish your year. I guess good for them if they were able to just do this. I’m not sure I even knew my landing spot this early in my clerkship (ie three months in).Anonymous User wrote:Rumblings are that 3 clerks just straight up quit.JusticeJackson wrote:Kozinski has probably hired clerks 3 years out. I bet at least some of them are getting cold feet at this point.
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I don't think that people with the credentials necessary to get a Kozinski clerkship are worried about finding a soft landing.JusticeJackson wrote:Damn. Seems like you’d finish your year. I guess good for them if they were able to just do this. I’m not sure I even knew my landing spot this early in my clerkship (ie three months in).Anonymous User wrote:Rumblings are that 3 clerks just straight up quit.JusticeJackson wrote:Kozinski has probably hired clerks 3 years out. I bet at least some of them are getting cold feet at this point.
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The Ninth Circuit has confirmed that "one or more" of Kozinski's current clerks has resigned.Anonymous User wrote:Rumblings are that 3 clerks just straight up quit.JusticeJackson wrote:Kozinski has probably hired clerks 3 years out. I bet at least some of them are getting cold feet at this point.
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in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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Word on the street (I was the anon above that first reported them quitting) is that he is called senior associates and former clerks looking for immediate help. Hard to imagine it will be too successful as that group has little to gain. Have been trying to get the scoop on why 3 left and not 4, no avail.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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Totally speculating, but I’d guess “I never saw anything inappropriate!” paired with guessing that despite this Kosinski will still be a good person to have in your corner (which I’d bet he will, in certain corners).
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CA9 clerk here. The three clerks that packed up and left went to T10 law schools. The clerk still working for him went to a lower-ranked school. I believe he's staying (for now) in part because he is concerned about whether other opportunities will be available to him.Anonymous User wrote:Word on the street (I was the anon above that first reported them quitting) is that he is called senior associates and former clerks looking for immediate help. Hard to imagine it will be too successful as that group has little to gain. Have been trying to get the scoop on why 3 left and not 4, no avail.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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Any knowledge of how they did it? I just wonder if they all just gave notice or straight up walked out. Pretty wild.Anonymous User wrote:CA9 clerk here. The three clerks that packed up and left went to T10 law schools. The clerk still working for him went to a lower-ranked school. I believe he's staying (for now) in part because he is concerned about whether other opportunities will be available to him.Anonymous User wrote:Word on the street (I was the anon above that first reported them quitting) is that he is called senior associates and former clerks looking for immediate help. Hard to imagine it will be too successful as that group has little to gain. Have been trying to get the scoop on why 3 left and not 4, no avail.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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Presumably cases can be reassigned to other judges? It wouldn't hurt him to keep the cases as much as it would the litigants.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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He may also think Kozinski's scandal will help him get a Thomas clerkship.Anonymous User wrote:CA9 clerk here. The three clerks that packed up and left went to T10 law schools. The clerk still working for him went to a lower-ranked school. I believe he's staying (for now) in part because he is concerned about whether other opportunities will be available to him.Anonymous User wrote:Word on the street (I was the anon above that first reported them quitting) is that he is called senior associates and former clerks looking for immediate help. Hard to imagine it will be too successful as that group has little to gain. Have been trying to get the scoop on why 3 left and not 4, no avail.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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I'm actually given to understand that Thomas never hires from Kozinski FWIW.
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If you can get a Kozinski clerkship, I think you'll have options. My guess is that the clerk is the sort of striver who gets a Kozinski clerkship from a lower-ranked school and views it from the perspective of, "If I stick by Judge when everyone else bails, he's going to love me for it and go out of his way to back me for whatever gig I want." The person also is probably rationalizing it in the way Nony described, "Well, I didn't see anything bad, and it hasn't happened to me."Anonymous User wrote:CA9 clerk here. The three clerks that packed up and left went to T10 law schools. The clerk still working for him went to a lower-ranked school. I believe he's staying (for now) in part because he is concerned about whether other opportunities will be available to him.Anonymous User wrote:Word on the street (I was the anon above that first reported them quitting) is that he is called senior associates and former clerks looking for immediate help. Hard to imagine it will be too successful as that group has little to gain. Have been trying to get the scoop on why 3 left and not 4, no avail.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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I don't think this is particularly fair. We have no idea who this is or what their personal situation is.lavarman84 wrote:If you can get a Kozinski clerkship, I think you'll have options. My guess is that the clerk is the sort of striver who gets a Kozinski clerkship from a lower-ranked school and views it from the perspective of, "If I stick by Judge when everyone else bails, he's going to love me for it and go out of his way to back me for whatever gig I want." The person also is probably rationalizing it in the way Nony described, "Well, I didn't see anything bad, and it hasn't happened to me."Anonymous User wrote:CA9 clerk here. The three clerks that packed up and left went to T10 law schools. The clerk still working for him went to a lower-ranked school. I believe he's staying (for now) in part because he is concerned about whether other opportunities will be available to him.Anonymous User wrote:Word on the street (I was the anon above that first reported them quitting) is that he is called senior associates and former clerks looking for immediate help. Hard to imagine it will be too successful as that group has little to gain. Have been trying to get the scoop on why 3 left and not 4, no avail.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong. They're making a personal choice.AOT wrote:I don't think this is particularly fair. We have no idea who this is or what their personal situation is.lavarman84 wrote:If you can get a Kozinski clerkship, I think you'll have options. My guess is that the clerk is the sort of striver who gets a Kozinski clerkship from a lower-ranked school and views it from the perspective of, "If I stick by Judge when everyone else bails, he's going to love me for it and go out of his way to back me for whatever gig I want." The person also is probably rationalizing it in the way Nony described, "Well, I didn't see anything bad, and it hasn't happened to me."Anonymous User wrote:CA9 clerk here. The three clerks that packed up and left went to T10 law schools. The clerk still working for him went to a lower-ranked school. I believe he's staying (for now) in part because he is concerned about whether other opportunities will be available to him.Anonymous User wrote:Word on the street (I was the anon above that first reported them quitting) is that he is called senior associates and former clerks looking for immediate help. Hard to imagine it will be too successful as that group has little to gain. Have been trying to get the scoop on why 3 left and not 4, no avail.jd20132013 wrote:in some ways this is the best punishment we were likely to get for him, lol. Make him do all that work himself
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If this person happens to read this I imagine they might feel pretty shitty about being called a striver and an apologistlavarman84 wrote:I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong. They're making a personal choice.AOT wrote:I don't think this is particularly fair. We have no idea who this is or what their personal situation is.lavarman84 wrote:
If you can get a Kozinski clerkship, I think you'll have options. My guess is that the clerk is the sort of striver who gets a Kozinski clerkship from a lower-ranked school and views it from the perspective of, "If I stick by Judge when everyone else bails, he's going to love me for it and go out of his way to back me for whatever gig I want." The person also is probably rationalizing it in the way Nony described, "Well, I didn't see anything bad, and it hasn't happened to me."
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If you're a Kozinski clerk, you're a guaranteed striver. I'm sure that person is well aware of that. I'm not insulting them. If I were in their shoes, I don't know if I'd do it differently.AOT wrote:If this person happens to read this I imagine they might feel pretty shitty about being called a striver and an apologistlavarman84 wrote:I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong. They're making a personal choice.AOT wrote:I don't think this is particularly fair. We have no idea who this is or what their personal situation is.lavarman84 wrote:
If you can get a Kozinski clerkship, I think you'll have options. My guess is that the clerk is the sort of striver who gets a Kozinski clerkship from a lower-ranked school and views it from the perspective of, "If I stick by Judge when everyone else bails, he's going to love me for it and go out of his way to back me for whatever gig I want." The person also is probably rationalizing it in the way Nony described, "Well, I didn't see anything bad, and it hasn't happened to me."
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@ lavarman - I don't know how, but that at once seems to criticize the person who stayed at the same time as suggesting staying would be reasonable. Impressive.
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If the new stories are true (no real reason to think they aren't) how arrogant do you have to be to respond to
The first wave in the dismissive way that he did ?
The first wave in the dismissive way that he did ?
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Kozinski? Arrogant?
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I think we have no right to judge whether a clerk should stay at the job in the face of allegations against the judge. I grew up in a rough neighborhood, and some of my old friends have been accused of actual crimes (i.e. beyond just being incredibly creepy). My continued contact with someone that’s been accused of burglary isn’t an endorsement of the alleged burglary; I accept my friends notwithstanding their (alleged and unproven) faults and I really don’t think I owe anyone an explanation for my choice to maintain contact with those folks even in light of criminal accusations. In the same way, in my view, there’s nothing wrong with a clerk deciding “this isn’t what I signed on for, but I gave the judge my commitment and I’m going to keep it.”
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