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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:11 pm

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any news on if Eid is hiring off plan?
She had been soliciting applications for 2021-22 since last year. She is super slow with hiring though.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Is Bacharach still interviewing for 2022?
Judge Bacharach has made at least one offer and has sent rejection letters to [at least some] people he has interviewed. I doubt he's still interviewing.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm

Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm
Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?
Word to the wise: Don’t clerk for Holmes.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:30 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm
Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?
Word to the wise: Don’t clerk for Holmes.
Care to elaborate?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by desiperc » Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:55 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:30 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm
Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?
Word to the wise: Don’t clerk for Holmes.
Care to elaborate?
Honestly, search for Holmes in this thread and you'll understand the advice.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by mjb447 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:32 pm

desiperc wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:13 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:55 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:30 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm
Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?
Word to the wise: Don’t clerk for Holmes.
Care to elaborate?
Honestly, search for Holmes in this thread and you'll understand the advice.
There was also some back and forth in Best and Worst Judges to Clerk For, IIRC.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:55 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:30 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm
Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?
Word to the wise: Don’t clerk for Holmes.
Care to elaborate?
I recently clerked for Jerome Holmes. It was a truly horrible experience, one all of the clerks in my class uniformly disliked (privately, of course). From what I remember, the hours were long and there was an almost unbelievable lack of mentorship. We worked pretty tirelessly until the very end and he didn't treat us well at all.

In my opinion, this is the rare "no clerkship is better than clerking for this judge" recommendation. I say that and fully admit the broader stamp helped me land the job I wanted; I'd still not do it again and just get another job off a district court.


Bottom line, just about any other Judge on the circuit would provide a better experience (Matheson clerks may disagree). Again, just my opinion, but steer clear.
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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by impalervlad » Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:30 pm

Anonymous who clerked for Holmes, can you DM me?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:19 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:55 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:30 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm
Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?
Word to the wise: Don’t clerk for Holmes.
Care to elaborate?
I recently clerked for Jerome Holmes. It was a truly horrible experience, one all of the clerks in my class uniformly disliked (privately, of course). From what I remember, the hours were long and there was an almost unbelievable lack of mentorship. We worked pretty tirelessly until the very end and he didn't treat us well at all.

In my opinion, this is the rare "no clerkship is better than clerking for this judge" recommendation. I say that and fully admit the broader stamp helped me land the job I wanted; I'd still not do it again and just get another job off a district court.

You should remove the identifying pronouns from this post - it narrows down who your friend is significantly.
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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:53 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:19 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:55 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:30 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:03 pm
Anyone heard from Judge Holmes for 2022-23?
Word to the wise: Don’t clerk for Holmes.
Care to elaborate?
I recently clerked for Jerome Holmes. ...
You should remove the identifying pronouns from this post - it narrows down who your friend is significantly.
Agree with the most recent anon, if you can still edit.

My co-clerks and I had a different experience - I think we all enjoyed the year overall - but I don't have any reason to doubt anyone else's account either.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by impalervlad » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:41 pm

10/10, that’s basically what I was going to advise. Lists of current clerks are accessible to those with the right subscriptions. Anon does his friend — and his friend’s colleagues — a great disservice by effectively outing them.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:39 pm

My law school's clerkship office blacklisted Holmes based on fairly serious abuse of two previous alumni clerks. Not discrimination, sexual assault, etc. like Kozinski, but unusually/unacceptably demeaning.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by stoopkid13 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
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You should remove the identifying pronouns from this post - it narrows down who your friend is significantly.
Tells anon to remove identifying pronouns from post; includes quote with identifying pronouns...

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:49 pm

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Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:19 pm
Bottom line, just about any other Judge on the circuit would provide a better experience (Matheson clerks may disagree).
Anyone able to back this up re: Matheson? I've heard that his hours are long and that he can be gruff, but I've never heard anyone complain that he's borderline abusive.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:42 am

Is Seymour still hiring clerks? If so, is she on or off plan?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Bottom line, just about any other Judge on the circuit would provide a better experience (Matheson clerks may disagree).
Anyone able to back this up re: Matheson? I've heard that his hours are long and that he can be gruff, but I've never heard anyone complain that he's borderline abusive.
The former Matheson clerk I know seems to have liked the experience, but they are somewhat tight-lipped about the experience. They said they worked long hours, but kind of took pride in that and felt as though they were getting substantive experience.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:53 pm

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Any thoughts on what it's like to work for McHugh?
Previous posters are right that McHugh is a hard worker, and her clerks might work a bit more than average, but nothing insane or unreasonable. She expects a lot, but you can definitely have a life outside work. She's well respected as a smart and incredibly conscientious judge. She's consistently one of the most prepared judges at oral argument and she likes to be very thorough in all her cases, which means her clerks do a lot in terms of digging through the record, doing research (esp. when the briefing's bad), going through a fair number of draft opinions, etc. More importantly though, she's a wonderful boss. She's amazingly thoughtful, very accessible, tries to get to know her clerks and develop relationships with them, and she's a great mentor.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:37 pm

Any insights into what it's like to work for Carson?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:53 pm
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Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:33 am
Any thoughts on what it's like to work for McHugh?
Previous posters are right that McHugh is a hard worker, and her clerks might work a bit more than average, but nothing insane or unreasonable. She expects a lot, but you can definitely have a life outside work. She's well respected as a smart and incredibly conscientious judge. She's consistently one of the most prepared judges at oral argument and she likes to be very thorough in all her cases, which means her clerks do a lot in terms of digging through the record, doing research (esp. when the briefing's bad), going through a fair number of draft opinions, etc. More importantly though, she's a wonderful boss. She's amazingly thoughtful, very accessible, tries to get to know her clerks and develop relationships with them, and she's a great mentor.
Any word on whether she has started looking at '22-23 applications yet?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:21 am

Any word on Hartz for 2022-23? His OSCAR says that he is beginning interviews immediately.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Any word on Hartz for 2022-23? His OSCAR says that he is beginning interviews immediately.
Anyone interested in Hartz should review the extensive discussion of him on this forum.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Any word on Hartz for 2022-23? His OSCAR says that he is beginning interviews immediately.
Anyone interested in Hartz should review the extensive discussion of him on this forum.
I have reviewed the discussion, and I remain interested for various reasons. Do you have a sense of his timeline?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Any insights into what it's like to work for Carson?
Seems like a good guy. Friendly to our chambers in a way that strikes me as genuine and he has a good reputation on the court. Fairly conservative, but not totally doctrinaire. Can't speak to hours or mentorship or anything internal to his chambers, but from the outside he seems like a pretty good judge to clerk for.

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