Collins is an absolute enigma. On the one hand, he's a smart, seemingly nice guy who hires liberals. On the other, he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit, he takes 12+ months to produce work product that other judges produce in weeks, and had a clerk quit halfway through the year this year.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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I also heard about the clerk who quit. Does anyone know why?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pmCollins is an absolute enigma. On the one hand, he's a smart, seemingly nice guy who hires liberals. On the other, he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit, he takes 12+ months to produce work product that other judges produce in weeks, and had a clerk quit halfway through the year this year.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Ikuta hires liberals - one year three out of four, even.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Milan Smith, Ikuta, and Miller should be nowhere near this list. Ikuta is quite conservative but as several have noted, her clerks are not always. M. Smith and Miller are moderate Republicans. Bea and VanDyke certainly care about ideology. I can't speak to how the other 3 Trump nominees on the list (Bumatay, Collins, Nelson) hire, but they are certainly more conservative jurists than M. Smith and Miller are.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:54 pmIkuta hires liberals - one year three out of four, even.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Collins regularly hires liberals.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:23 pmMilan Smith, Ikuta, and Miller should be nowhere near this list. Ikuta is quite conservative but as several have noted, her clerks are not always. M. Smith and Miller are moderate Republicans. Bea and VanDyke certainly care about ideology. I can't speak to how the other 3 Trump nominees on the list (Bumatay, Collins, Nelson) hire, but they are certainly more conservative jurists than M. Smith and Miller are.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:54 pmIkuta hires liberals - one year three out of four, even.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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How do you know he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pmCollins is an absolute enigma. On the one hand, he's a smart, seemingly nice guy who hires liberals. On the other, he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit, he takes 12+ months to produce work product that other judges produce in weeks, and had a clerk quit halfway through the year this year.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Btw, does the Ninth Circuit still enforce the absolutely ridiculous order from Murguia regarding COVID, which declares that:
https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/ ... tocols.pdf"No one shall enter a Ninth Circuit Courthouse if they [h]ave had symptoms consistent with COVID-19 within the previous 14 days (e.g., temperature above 100.4, chills, shortness of breath, unusual fatigue, muscle or body aches, headache, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, congestion, nausea or vomiting, or diarrhea)..."
Am I really expected to work from home for two weeks because I got diarrhea at Cheesecake Factory over the weekend? And if I go to work anyway, must I report myself as a criminal to the bar? Thank you.
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If you're a clerk, it depends on what your judge cares to enforce, if you're a litigant, yes, you're subject to that mess.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 amHow do you know he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pmCollins is an absolute enigma. On the one hand, he's a smart, seemingly nice guy who hires liberals. On the other, he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit, he takes 12+ months to produce work product that other judges produce in weeks, and had a clerk quit halfway through the year this year.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Btw, does the Ninth Circuit still enforce the absolutely ridiculous order from Murguia regarding COVID, which declares that:https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/ ... tocols.pdf"No one shall enter a Ninth Circuit Courthouse if they [h]ave had symptoms consistent with COVID-19 within the previous 14 days (e.g., temperature above 100.4, chills, shortness of breath, unusual fatigue, muscle or body aches, headache, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, congestion, nausea or vomiting, or diarrhea)..."
Am I really expected to work from home for two weeks because I got diarrhea at Cheesecake Factory over the weekend? And if I go to work anyway, must I report myself as a criminal to the bar? Thank you.
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Any early musings on the Biden CA9 appointees? (Sung, Koh, Sanchez, Thomas)
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Collins is also brilliant. One of the smartest judges in the country. Would be curious to know why the clerk quit as well?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Also curious about this. I've heard clerking for a new district judge can be rough - is the same thing true for COA judges in general (and these four in particular)?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:16 pmAny early musings on the Biden CA9 appointees? (Sung, Koh, Sanchez, Thomas)
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Can confirm Collins is the only unvaccinated active judge. If you look at some of the argument streams, you’ll notice that he does all of the arguments remotely, even when they’re in the Pasadena courthouse where his chambers areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 amHow do you know he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pmCollins is an absolute enigma. On the one hand, he's a smart, seemingly nice guy who hires liberals. On the other, he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit, he takes 12+ months to produce work product that other judges produce in weeks, and had a clerk quit halfway through the year this year.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Btw, does the Ninth Circuit still enforce the absolutely ridiculous order from Murguia regarding COVID, which declares that:https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/ ... tocols.pdf"No one shall enter a Ninth Circuit Courthouse if they [h]ave had symptoms consistent with COVID-19 within the previous 14 days (e.g., temperature above 100.4, chills, shortness of breath, unusual fatigue, muscle or body aches, headache, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, congestion, nausea or vomiting, or diarrhea)..."
Am I really expected to work from home for two weeks because I got diarrhea at Cheesecake Factory over the weekend? And if I go to work anyway, must I report myself as a criminal to the bar? Thank you.
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Yep. None of the others have been confined to the webcam dungeon.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:50 amCan confirm Collins is the only unvaccinated active judge. If you look at some of the argument streams, you’ll notice that he does all of the arguments remotely, even when they’re in the Pasadena courthouse where his chambers areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 amHow do you know he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pmCollins is an absolute enigma. On the one hand, he's a smart, seemingly nice guy who hires liberals. On the other, he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit, he takes 12+ months to produce work product that other judges produce in weeks, and had a clerk quit halfway through the year this year.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Btw, does the Ninth Circuit still enforce the absolutely ridiculous order from Murguia regarding COVID, which declares that:https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/ ... tocols.pdf"No one shall enter a Ninth Circuit Courthouse if they [h]ave had symptoms consistent with COVID-19 within the previous 14 days (e.g., temperature above 100.4, chills, shortness of breath, unusual fatigue, muscle or body aches, headache, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, congestion, nausea or vomiting, or diarrhea)..."
Am I really expected to work from home for two weeks because I got diarrhea at Cheesecake Factory over the weekend? And if I go to work anyway, must I report myself as a criminal to the bar? Thank you.
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It cannot be overstated how far behind he is on his work. Yes, he's published a decent number of high profile opinions in politically salient cases. But an active Ninth Circuit judge has to sit 32 days/year at minimum, and each day has an average of six cases. There's a lot more to do than just write high profile opinions, and his clerks are paying the price for the backlog he's built up.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:49 pmCollins is also brilliant. One of the smartest judges in the country. Would be curious to know why the clerk quit as well?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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When I was clerking during COVID, there were some judges that chose to always be remote, while others were traveling to Pasadena/SF to hear arguments in person. This was during the brief respite in Summer 2021. So the thing about Collins being remote could be that he is unvaccinated, but maybe he's just afraid of getting it like the others used to be. Are the others really all back in person?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:50 amCan confirm Collins is the only unvaccinated active judge. If you look at some of the argument streams, you’ll notice that he does all of the arguments remotely, even when they’re in the Pasadena courthouse where his chambers areAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:22 amHow do you know he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:52 pmCollins is an absolute enigma. On the one hand, he's a smart, seemingly nice guy who hires liberals. On the other, he's the only unvaccinated active judge on the Ninth Circuit, he takes 12+ months to produce work product that other judges produce in weeks, and had a clerk quit halfway through the year this year.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Btw, does the Ninth Circuit still enforce the absolutely ridiculous order from Murguia regarding COVID, which declares that:https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/ ... tocols.pdf"No one shall enter a Ninth Circuit Courthouse if they [h]ave had symptoms consistent with COVID-19 within the previous 14 days (e.g., temperature above 100.4, chills, shortness of breath, unusual fatigue, muscle or body aches, headache, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, congestion, nausea or vomiting, or diarrhea)..."
Am I really expected to work from home for two weeks because I got diarrhea at Cheesecake Factory over the weekend? And if I go to work anyway, must I report myself as a criminal to the bar? Thank you.
Seems wild that the Chief Judge has plenary power over all the federal appellate courts in a circuit. Where does Murguia get off telling another judge they can't enter their own courthouse? Or anyone with the quoted symptoms for that matter? Seems like an ADA violation, and a shameful abuse of power.
On the question about the new Biden appointees and the onboarding period, I'm sure your mileage may vary, but based solely on experience, I think Koh should have the easiest adjustment (district judge), followed by Sanchez (state appellate judge), then Sung/Thomas (former CA9 clerks).
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You could just listen to the people who are telling you that the reason Collins does all of his arguments remotely is because he’s unvaccinated. This is a widely known fact at the court.
As for the potshots at Judge Murguia, it’s not like she’s deciding these COVID policies on their own. They’re voted on by judges on all sides of the spectrum, at a minimum the executive committee of the court and sometimes the whole court. No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse. The courthouses are generally closed to the public still, so it’s not like it’s keeping the public out either.
As for the potshots at Judge Murguia, it’s not like she’s deciding these COVID policies on their own. They’re voted on by judges on all sides of the spectrum, at a minimum the executive committee of the court and sometimes the whole court. No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse. The courthouses are generally closed to the public still, so it’s not like it’s keeping the public out either.
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For what it’s worth, I don’t think any of the new judges are going to have a difficult time adjusting. They all strike me as very smart and competent. And because the panel assignments are made well in advance, it can take a year for to get fully worked in to the argument rotation. So they have plenty of time to figure things out
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Yeah being a first-year DJ is hell but being a first-year circuit judge can be pretty straightforwardAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:17 amFor what it’s worth, I don’t think any of the new judges are going to have a difficult time adjusting. They all strike me as very smart and competent. And because the panel assignments are made well in advance, it can take a year for to get fully worked in to the argument rotation. So they have plenty of time to figure things out
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I did listen, I was curious how this was known. I was more surprised that people knew that Collins was the ONLY judge who wasn't vaccinated. How do they know that? Apparently it's deduced from the administrative order someone linked above, and Collins' remote sittings. But you say, "No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse," so it's not clear what the relevance of the sitting remotely response was.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:13 amYou could just listen to the people who are telling you that the reason Collins does all of his arguments remotely is because he’s unvaccinated. This is a widely known fact at the court.
As for the potshots at Judge Murguia, it’s not like she’s deciding these COVID policies on their own. They’re voted on by judges on all sides of the spectrum, at a minimum the executive committee of the court and sometimes the whole court. No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse. The courthouses are generally closed to the public still, so it’s not like it’s keeping the public out either.
The public can't come in, so they can't be kept out? That's great, A+!
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I can’t tell if you’re being obtuse, but it’s not deduced from the administrative order. All of the judges of the court know that the reason Collins does his arguments remotely is because he’s unvaccinated and that he’s the only judge in this category. They tell their clerks. Their clerks post it on TLS….Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:44 amI did listen, I was curious how this was known. I was more surprised that people knew that Collins was the ONLY judge who wasn't vaccinated. How do they know that? Apparently it's deduced from the administrative order someone linked above, and Collins' remote sittings. But you say, "No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse," so it's not clear what the relevance of the sitting remotely response was.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:13 amYou could just listen to the people who are telling you that the reason Collins does all of his arguments remotely is because he’s unvaccinated. This is a widely known fact at the court.
As for the potshots at Judge Murguia, it’s not like she’s deciding these COVID policies on their own. They’re voted on by judges on all sides of the spectrum, at a minimum the executive committee of the court and sometimes the whole court. No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse. The courthouses are generally closed to the public still, so it’s not like it’s keeping the public out either.
The public can't come in, so they can't be kept out? That's great, A+!
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Okay so he does his arguments remotely because he's unvaccinated, and that has nothing to do with the administrative order requiring vaccinations. Why sit remotely then, if it's not required of unvaccinated judges?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:58 amI can’t tell if you’re being obtuse, but it’s not deduced from the administrative order. All of the judges of the court know that the reason Collins does his arguments remotely is because he’s unvaccinated and that he’s the only judge in this category. They tell their clerks. Their clerks post it on TLS….Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:44 amI did listen, I was curious how this was known. I was more surprised that people knew that Collins was the ONLY judge who wasn't vaccinated. How do they know that? Apparently it's deduced from the administrative order someone linked above, and Collins' remote sittings. But you say, "No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse," so it's not clear what the relevance of the sitting remotely response was.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:13 amYou could just listen to the people who are telling you that the reason Collins does all of his arguments remotely is because he’s unvaccinated. This is a widely known fact at the court.
As for the potshots at Judge Murguia, it’s not like she’s deciding these COVID policies on their own. They’re voted on by judges on all sides of the spectrum, at a minimum the executive committee of the court and sometimes the whole court. No judge is being prevented from entering their courthouse. The courthouses are generally closed to the public still, so it’s not like it’s keeping the public out either.
The public can't come in, so they can't be kept out? That's great, A+!
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Look, he’s hired out until 2025, when hopefully this pandemic will no longer be relevant. What applicants should know is that he’s a smart guy who’s quite conservative and aggressive in calling for en banc and both a demanding and kind boss. He hires liberals regularly. That should be the end of it.
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He is so far behind on his work, always asks for extensions on top of more extensions, calls cases eb left and right. I am not a clerk but work with a judge, and he makes some cases so much more difficult. I have however heard that he is incredibly smart and writes very good work when he does it.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:13 pmIt cannot be overstated how far behind he is on his work. Yes, he's published a decent number of high profile opinions in politically salient cases. But an active Ninth Circuit judge has to sit 32 days/year at minimum, and each day has an average of six cases. There's a lot more to do than just write high profile opinions, and his clerks are paying the price for the backlog he's built up.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:49 pmCollins is also brilliant. One of the smartest judges in the country. Would be curious to know why the clerk quit as well?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:51 amI completely agree that Collins should not be on this list. I know he hires a mix of clerks and everyone I've heard from (left and right) who has clerked for him has rave reviews of his kindness and thoughtfulness as a boss. While I don't know enough to speak to everyone on the list, I am confident that Ikuta, Bumatay, and Miller should also not be on it.blackjake200 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pmI wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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My judge said that Collins is the smartest judge in the country. Likewise, I have a mentor who clerked at the Court the same year as Collins who says similar things. Likely hyperbole because there are lots of smart judges, but it tells you that he's in the same league as Srinivasan, Katsas, Easterbrook, Bibas, Fletcher types.
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Smartest judge in the country is probably a stretch. Doubtful that he is even the smartest judge on the court, given that he’s sharing company with the likes of Berzon, Fletcher, Ikuta, Watford, Friedland, Miller, etc.
BUT, I agree he is very smart, and this is coming from someone who often disagrees with him
BUT, I agree he is very smart, and this is coming from someone who often disagrees with him
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Any info on whether Desai has hired/when she's hiring for? And if AZ ties are important to her?
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