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Bump....
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Anyone know if Mueller in EDCA is interviewing yet?
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I know someone who interviewed with Mueller. Not sure if she’s offered yet though.
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Does anyone know anything about the 2021 spot in Paez chambers?
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BumpAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:02 amDoes anyone know anything about the 2021 spot in Paez chambers?
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I heard Paez is doing interviews for the 2021 position
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Are there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Miller in Seattle would be a great choice for a liberal clerk. Same with Bade in Arizona. I actually think Bybee wouldn't be bad at all. Maybe Tallman too.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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YMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Definitely avoid Nelson. I'm surprised Lee didn't make your list. He's issued some very conservative opinions.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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By Smith I'm assuming you mean M. Smith? Pretty sure he hires liberals.lavarman84 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:37 pmDefinitely avoid Nelson. I'm surprised Lee didn't make your list. He's issued some very conservative opinions.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Tbh I don't think anyone who knows anything about CA9 would put Miller and M. Smith, who don't even really hire Fed Soc students, on this list. Ikuta hires plenty of liberals as well and is a beloved boss, though she's quite conservative, so if by "very liberal" you mean unwilling to work with conservatives, I would avoid. Bybee also hires liberals and is significantly less conservative than you would expect.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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Keep in mind that the poster may have meant N. Randy Smith, not Milan Smith. Milan Smith can be a bit of an odd duck, but he's not extremely conservative. Agreed on Bybee. He seems like both a good boss and a reasonable judge.
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Judge Bybee likes hiring counterclerks, too. Granted, I have a limited window into his hiring throughout his career, but I'm pretty sure at least half of his clerks are left-leaning, if not more.lavarman84 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 7:19 pmKeep in mind that the poster may have meant N. Randy Smith, not Milan Smith. Milan Smith can be a bit of an odd duck, but he's not extremely conservative. Agreed on Bybee. He seems like both a good boss and a reasonable judge.
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I wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservative but all hire liberal clerks. Collins might be too conservative for some applicants but he definitely hires clerks that are to the left of him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
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That tracks with the my anecdotal experience with Bybee clerks.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:59 pmJudge Bybee likes hiring counterclerks, too. Granted, I have a limited window into his hiring throughout his career, but I'm pretty sure at least half of his clerks are left-leaning, if not more.lavarman84 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 7:19 pmKeep in mind that the poster may have meant N. Randy Smith, not Milan Smith. Milan Smith can be a bit of an odd duck, but he's not extremely conservative. Agreed on Bybee. He seems like both a good boss and a reasonable judge.
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None of these judges hire "counterclerks" in the sense they actively look for clerks that disagree with them. All of them hire liberals because they don't care what their clerk's ideologies are for the most part and hire on plan because it's convenient.lavarman84 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:03 pmThat tracks with the my anecdotal experience with Bybee clerks.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:59 pmJudge Bybee likes hiring counterclerks, too. Granted, I have a limited window into his hiring throughout his career, but I'm pretty sure at least half of his clerks are left-leaning, if not more.lavarman84 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 7:19 pmKeep in mind that the poster may have meant N. Randy Smith, not Milan Smith. Milan Smith can be a bit of an odd duck, but he's not extremely conservative. Agreed on Bybee. He seems like both a good boss and a reasonable judge.
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Sung done hiring for 2022 and 2023, and has hired at least one for 2024.
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Never posted on Oscar.
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I would put Lee in the exact same bucket as Ikuta - he is very conservative, but he is a great boss and has a long track record of working productively with younger lawyers who are much more liberal than he is. I think the concern is not whether he could get along with a "very liberal" clerk, but whether that clerk could get along with him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:54 pmTbh I don't think anyone who knows anything about CA9 would put Miller and M. Smith, who don't even really hire Fed Soc students, on this list. Ikuta hires plenty of liberals as well and is a beloved boss, though she's quite conservative, so if by "very liberal" you mean unwilling to work with conservatives, I would avoid. Bybee also hires liberals and is significantly less conservative than you would expect.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Of the Republican-appointed judges on the Ninth, I would call Bybee, Milan Smith, Clifton, Miller, and Bade moderates who no liberal should have a problem clerking for. (In a similar vein, I would say that McKeown, Gould, and Owens are the most centrist/moderate of the Democratic-appointed judges, with Graber and Hurwitz just a step further to the left but still fairly moderate. There's also Tallman, who is a pretty normal conservative even though he was technically a Clinton appointee.) Bennett has a pretty orthodox conservative judicial philosophy but is otherwise quite moderate and perhaps even liberal on some issues.
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Kinda funny that Marc Elias had a big open letter slamming Perkins for celebrating Miller’s appointment on the grounds that he’d destroy peoples’ rights and stuff, then he ended up being one of the least conservative Trump appointees
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Would Forrest be part of that moderate Republican group as well, or is she more conservative/not open to liberal clerks?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:52 pmI would put Lee in the exact same bucket as Ikuta - he is very conservative, but he is a great boss and has a long track record of working productively with younger lawyers who are much more liberal than he is. I think the concern is not whether he could get along with a "very liberal" clerk, but whether that clerk could get along with him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:54 pmTbh I don't think anyone who knows anything about CA9 would put Miller and M. Smith, who don't even really hire Fed Soc students, on this list. Ikuta hires plenty of liberals as well and is a beloved boss, though she's quite conservative, so if by "very liberal" you mean unwilling to work with conservatives, I would avoid. Bybee also hires liberals and is significantly less conservative than you would expect.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Of the Republican-appointed judges on the Ninth, I would call Bybee, Milan Smith, Clifton, Miller, and Bade moderates who no liberal should have a problem clerking for. (In a similar vein, I would say that McKeown, Gould, and Owens are the most centrist/moderate of the Democratic-appointed judges, with Graber and Hurwitz just a step further to the left but still fairly moderate. There's also Tallman, who is a pretty normal conservative even though he was technically a Clinton appointee.) Bennett has a pretty orthodox conservative judicial philosophy but is otherwise quite moderate and perhaps even liberal on some issues.
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Oh wow already. What a bummer - would've loved to just apply to the only former labor lawyer on the bench (other than Berzon of course). Yeah, she made an OSCAR account and even seemed to have updated her "Additional Information" section recently. Oh well, it wasn't meant to be I guess.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:58 pmSung done hiring for 2022 and 2023, and has hired at least one for 2024.
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Forrest is somewhere to the right of Bybee/Smith/Clifton/Miller/Bade and somewhere to the left of Callahan/Ikuta/Nelson/Lee/Bumatay/VanDyke. I have no idea how open she is to more liberal clerks or what she is like as a boss.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:12 pmWould Forrest be part of that moderate Republican group as well, or is she more conservative/not open to liberal clerks?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:52 pmI would put Lee in the exact same bucket as Ikuta - he is very conservative, but he is a great boss and has a long track record of working productively with younger lawyers who are much more liberal than he is. I think the concern is not whether he could get along with a "very liberal" clerk, but whether that clerk could get along with him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:54 pmTbh I don't think anyone who knows anything about CA9 would put Miller and M. Smith, who don't even really hire Fed Soc students, on this list. Ikuta hires plenty of liberals as well and is a beloved boss, though she's quite conservative, so if by "very liberal" you mean unwilling to work with conservatives, I would avoid. Bybee also hires liberals and is significantly less conservative than you would expect.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Of the Republican-appointed judges on the Ninth, I would call Bybee, Milan Smith, Clifton, Miller, and Bade moderates who no liberal should have a problem clerking for. (In a similar vein, I would say that McKeown, Gould, and Owens are the most centrist/moderate of the Democratic-appointed judges, with Graber and Hurwitz just a step further to the left but still fairly moderate. There's also Tallman, who is a pretty normal conservative even though he was technically a Clinton appointee.) Bennett has a pretty orthodox conservative judicial philosophy but is otherwise quite moderate and perhaps even liberal on some issues.
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I don't know what her hiring preferences are for term clerks, but I think she has a liberal career clerk for what that's worth.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:12 pmWould Forrest be part of that moderate Republican group as well, or is she more conservative/not open to liberal clerks?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:52 pmI would put Lee in the exact same bucket as Ikuta - he is very conservative, but he is a great boss and has a long track record of working productively with younger lawyers who are much more liberal than he is. I think the concern is not whether he could get along with a "very liberal" clerk, but whether that clerk could get along with him.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:54 pmTbh I don't think anyone who knows anything about CA9 would put Miller and M. Smith, who don't even really hire Fed Soc students, on this list. Ikuta hires plenty of liberals as well and is a beloved boss, though she's quite conservative, so if by "very liberal" you mean unwilling to work with conservatives, I would avoid. Bybee also hires liberals and is significantly less conservative than you would expect.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:00 pmYMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:40 amAre there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid?
Of the Republican-appointed judges on the Ninth, I would call Bybee, Milan Smith, Clifton, Miller, and Bade moderates who no liberal should have a problem clerking for. (In a similar vein, I would say that McKeown, Gould, and Owens are the most centrist/moderate of the Democratic-appointed judges, with Graber and Hurwitz just a step further to the left but still fairly moderate. There's also Tallman, who is a pretty normal conservative even though he was technically a Clinton appointee.) Bennett has a pretty orthodox conservative judicial philosophy but is otherwise quite moderate and perhaps even liberal on some issues.
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