Let's Talk 3rd Circuit! Forum

[Anonymous User]

Bumping this because curious if anyone has insight on how competitive the Newark judges are. Given the ease of commute from NYC, is it just as difficult as landing a clerkship in the city (2d Cir or SDNY/EDNY)?

For the reasons you stated, it's as competitive as non-feeder 2d Cir./SDNY. Number of Chagares's recent clerks were magna @ HLS + Law Review, YLS, etc. Matey seems similarly credential-focused

[Wild Card]

Bumping this because curious if anyone has insight on how competitive the Newark judges are. Given the ease of commute from NYC, is it just as difficult as landing a clerkship in the city (2d Cir or SDNY/EDNY)?

For the reasons you stated, it's as competitive as non-feeder 2d Cir./SDNY. Chagares's clerks were magna @ HLS + Law Review, YLS, etc. Matey seems similarly credential-focused

According to my data, median 2d Cir. is top 5%; median 3d Cir. is top 25% (median SDNY magistrate is top 25%).

[Anonymous User]

Bumping this because curious if anyone has insight on how competitive the Newark judges are. Given the ease of commute from NYC, is it just as difficult as landing a clerkship in the city (2d Cir or SDNY/EDNY)?

For the reasons you stated, it's as competitive as non-feeder 2d Cir./SDNY. Chagares's clerks were magna @ HLS + Law Review, YLS, etc. Matey seems similarly credential-focused

According to my data, median 2d Cir. is top 5%; median 3d Cir. is top 25% (median SDNY magistrate is top 25%).

I can't tell if this is a troll, but if not -- we're not talking about median 3d Cir. judges, we're talking about Newark, i.e. where you can commute from New York City. The applicant pool is, to put it mildly, a bit stronger than the pool applying to SDNY magistrate judges

[Wild Card]

Bumping this because curious if anyone has insight on how competitive the Newark judges are. Given the ease of commute from NYC, is it just as difficult as landing a clerkship in the city (2d Cir or SDNY/EDNY)?

For the reasons you stated, it's as competitive as non-feeder 2d Cir./SDNY. Chagares's clerks were magna @ HLS + Law Review, YLS, etc. Matey seems similarly credential-focused

According to my data, median 2d Cir. is top 5%; median 3d Cir. is top 25% (median SDNY magistrate is top 25%).

I can't tell if this is a troll, but if not -- we're not talking about median 3d Cir. judges, we're talking about Newark, i.e. where you can commute from New York City. The applicant pool is, to put it mildly, a bit stronger than the pool applying to SDNY magistrate judges

I know what we're talking about. Not sure why you assumed I didn't. Though I'll clarify that I was talking about those who ultimately accept.

The median of those who receive 3d Cir. interviews is indeed top 10%. I suppose this means that most of those fortunate to land an interview with a 3d Cir. Newark judge end up clerking elsewhere.

[Anonymous User]

Bumping this because curious if anyone has insight on how competitive the Newark judges are. Given the ease of commute from NYC, is it just as difficult as landing a clerkship in the city (2d Cir or SDNY/EDNY)?

For the reasons you stated, it's as competitive as non-feeder 2d Cir./SDNY. Chagares's clerks were magna @ HLS + Law Review, YLS, etc. Matey seems similarly credential-focused

According to my data, median 2d Cir. is top 5%; median 3d Cir. is top 25% (median SDNY magistrate is top 25%).

I can't tell if this is a troll, but if not -- we're not talking about median 3d Cir. judges, we're talking about Newark, i.e. where you can commute from New York City. The applicant pool is, to put it mildly, a bit stronger than the pool applying to SDNY magistrate judges

I know what we're talking about. Not sure why you assumed I didn't. Though I'll clarify that I was talking about those who ultimately accept.

The median of those who receive 3d Cir. interviews is indeed top 10%. I suppose this means that most of those fortunate to land an interview with a 3d Cir. Newark judge end up clerking elsewhere.

Cool, glad we're on the same page. What's your sample size for "offered interviews" and "accepted"?

[lavarman84]

Why are y'all taking the bait? He's trolling.

[Anonymous User]

Why are y'all taking the bait? He's trolling.

apparently because I'm an idiot

[Wild Card]

Why are y'all taking the bait? He's trolling.

I respect your lifestyle choices.

[Anonymous User]

Just accepted 3rd Circuit offer for 2020-21. Top 1/4 HYS, district court clerkship, a couple years out of LS. The spots are out there, and good luck to all!

[Anonymous5432]

Just accepted 3rd Circuit offer for 2020-21. Top 1/4 HYS, district court clerkship, a couple years out of LS. The spots are out there, and good luck to all!

Do you mind sharing what judge and/or whether the judge is still hiring for that term?

[Anonymous User]

Do you mind sharing what judge and/or whether the judge is still hiring for that term?

Original poster here. Don't want to out myself, but I'll say this much: it is a Pennsylvania- (but not Philly-) based CA3 judge. The judge was interviewing another candidate a few days after me, and said there were 2 spots remaining for my term.

[lavarman84]

Do you mind sharing what judge and/or whether the judge is still hiring for that term?

Original poster here. Don't want to out myself, but I'll say this much: it is a Pennsylvania- (but not Philly-) based CA3 judge. The judge was interviewing another candidate a few days after me, and said there were 2 spots remaining for my term.

If it's Fisher or Hardiman, both are phenomenal people.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know what any of the new Trump appointees are like as bosses? Bibas, Porter, Matey, Phipps.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know what any of the new Trump appointees are like as bosses? Bibas, Porter, Matey, Phipps.

I've heard Bibas works his clerks very, very hard

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard anything for interviews? Rising 3L applied with the federal hiring plan, especially hoping to hear from Shwartz and/or Greenaway.

[Anonymous User]

Do you mind sharing what judge and/or whether the judge is still hiring for that term?

Original poster here. Don't want to out myself, but I'll say this much: it is a Pennsylvania- (but not Philly-) based CA3 judge. The judge was interviewing another candidate a few days after me, and said there were 2 spots remaining for my term.

If it's Fisher or Hardiman, both are phenomenal people.

As is Smith

[Anonymous User]

Do you mind sharing what judge and/or whether the judge is still hiring for that term?

Original poster here. Don't want to out myself, but I'll say this much: it is a Pennsylvania- (but not Philly-) based CA3 judge. The judge was interviewing another candidate a few days after me, and said there were 2 spots remaining for my term.

If it's Fisher or Hardiman, both are phenomenal people.

As is Smith

As is Phipps (not yet confirmed to the 3rd Circuit, I know). I'm a current clerk in the same courthouse, and the guy is super friendly and enthusiastic.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know anything about Porter? A former colleague of his reached out on my behalf, but he never responded. Admittedly, they were not close, but I thought it was strange that my recommender never heard back. Maybe Porter didn't get it, or maybe its not as strange as I think because of how busy he might be?

Anon b/c info would out me.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know what any of the new Trump appointees are like as bosses? Bibas, Porter, Matey, Phipps.

I've heard Bibas works his clerks very, very hard

Bibas is clearly a genius, and his writing is fantastic, but I've heard that he's not personable at all and that he works his clerks hard. And he doesn't seem to really attract or choose feeder-level students like you might expect a world-class scholar on an appellate court in a major coastal city to.

I've heard good things about Phipps, who's supposed to be a great guy.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know what any of the new Trump appointees are like as bosses? Bibas, Porter, Matey, Phipps.

I've heard Bibas works his clerks very, very hard

Bibas is clearly a genius, and his writing is fantastic, but I've heard that he's not personable at all and that he works his clerks hard. And he doesn't seem to really attract or choose feeder-level students like you might expect a world-class scholar on an appellate court in a major coastal city to.

I've heard good things about Phipps, who's supposed to be a great guy.

Can any one be more specific about Bibas? There have been several comments that he works his clerks "very hard," but it's impossible to know what the commenter's reference point for that is. Does that mean longish but not insane hours and high standards? Or does it mean all day every day, hours beyond what are necessary/healthy, and expectations that are very difficult to meet? Would welcome any clarification that can be provided, thanks.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know what any of the new Trump appointees are like as bosses? Bibas, Porter, Matey, Phipps.

I've heard Bibas works his clerks very, very hard

Bibas is clearly a genius, and his writing is fantastic, but I've heard that he's not personable at all and that he works his clerks hard. And he doesn't seem to really attract or choose feeder-level students like you might expect a world-class scholar on an appellate court in a major coastal city to.

I've heard good things about Phipps, who's supposed to be a great guy.

Can any one be more specific about Bibas? There have been several comments that he works his clerks "very hard," but it's impossible to know what the commenter's reference point for that is. Does that mean longish but not insane hours and high standards? Or does it mean all day every day, hours beyond what are necessary/healthy, and expectations that are very difficult to meet? Would welcome any clarification that can be provided, thanks.

I've heard different things about Bibas. I heard that he's great with his clerks, eating lunch with them every day and doing activities with them outside the courthouse. They seemed to like him a lot. His clerks seemed to work normal hours and leave at around 5pm every day. I think they worked similar hours to us and got holidays off. Met him at orientation, and he seemed personable enough. He makes them climb up the courthouse stairs, so that's something weird about his chambers.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know what any of the new Trump appointees are like as bosses? Bibas, Porter, Matey, Phipps.

I've heard Bibas works his clerks very, very hard

Bibas is clearly a genius, and his writing is fantastic, but I've heard that he's not personable at all and that he works his clerks hard. And he doesn't seem to really attract or choose feeder-level students like you might expect a world-class scholar on an appellate court in a major coastal city to.

I've heard good things about Phipps, who's supposed to be a great guy.

Can any one be more specific about Bibas? There have been several comments that he works his clerks "very hard," but it's impossible to know what the commenter's reference point for that is. Does that mean longish but not insane hours and high standards? Or does it mean all day every day, hours beyond what are necessary/healthy, and expectations that are very difficult to meet? Would welcome any clarification that can be provided, thanks.

I've heard different things about Bibas. I heard that he's great with his clerks, eating lunch with them every day and doing activities with them outside the courthouse. They seemed to like him a lot. His clerks seemed to work normal hours and leave at around 5pm every day. I think they worked similar hours to us and got holidays off. Met him at orientation, and he seemed personable enough. He makes them climb up the courthouse stairs, so that's something weird about his chambers.

My understanding is consistent with all of the previous comments. He cares a lot about mentoring his clerks, probably more than most judges (e.g. the lunch thing). At the same time he’s very intense and formal and has high expectations for the amount and quality of work. I think everyone I’ve ever talked to about him (a prof who knows him well, former interviewees, other CA3 clerks) has used the word “cold.” I’ve heard nothing that would stop me from clerking with him, but it might be similar to Judge Krause in that there are pluses and minuses.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know what any of the new Trump appointees are like as bosses? Bibas, Porter, Matey, Phipps.

I've heard Bibas works his clerks very, very hard

Bibas is clearly a genius, and his writing is fantastic, but I've heard that he's not personable at all and that he works his clerks hard. And he doesn't seem to really attract or choose feeder-level students like you might expect a world-class scholar on an appellate court in a major coastal city to.

I've heard good things about Phipps, who's supposed to be a great guy.

Can any one be more specific about Bibas? There have been several comments that he works his clerks "very hard," but it's impossible to know what the commenter's reference point for that is. Does that mean longish but not insane hours and high standards? Or does it mean all day every day, hours beyond what are necessary/healthy, and expectations that are very difficult to meet? Would welcome any clarification that can be provided, thanks.

I've heard different things about Bibas. I heard that he's great with his clerks, eating lunch with them every day and doing activities with them outside the courthouse. They seemed to like him a lot. His clerks seemed to work normal hours and leave at around 5pm every day. I think they worked similar hours to us and got holidays off. Met him at orientation, and he seemed personable enough. He makes them climb up the courthouse stairs, so that's something weird about his chambers.

My understanding is consistent with all of the previous comments. He cares a lot about mentoring his clerks, probably more than most judges (e.g. the lunch thing). At the same time he’s very intense and formal and has high expectations for the amount and quality of work. I think everyone I’ve ever talked to about him (a prof who knows him well, former interviewees, other CA3 clerks) has used the word “cold.” I’ve heard nothing that would stop me from clerking with him, but it might be similar to Judge Krause in that there are pluses and minuses.

I had a brief interaction with Judge Bibas and know people who will and have clerked for him. He is extremely sharp and can come off as cold. From my personal interaction with him and what I've heard from a clerk, he is intellectual and cares deeply about dealing correctly with issues.

One thing that stood out is that he takes his faith seriously and is a caring person, even if he doesn't come off as the friendliest.

A clerkship with him would be an amazing learning experience and an opportunity to gain a great mentor who cares.

[Anonymous User]

Didn’t want to quote due to the length but those were all super helpful, thank you! Definitely sounds like a worthwhile opportunity.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone info. on Greenaway?