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I see Chin just posted for ‘23. Anyone know what his hiring criteria is like?
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Chin is one of the circuit's most liberal judges, as you'd expect for a former union lawyer, and is very loyal to Fordham and involved in Asian-American groups. He's one of the less selective NYC CA2 judges but still a fantastic/desirable clerkship, and I've heard nothing but good things about him personally.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:44 pmI see Chin just posted for ‘23. Anyone know what his hiring criteria is like?
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Any movement from SDNY or EDNY judges? I know HLS has a list of judges that has offered interviews, wondering if anyone can share some info lol
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Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:52 pmAny movement from SDNY or EDNY judges? I know HLS has a list of judges that has offered interviews, wondering if anyone can share some info lol
That HLS list is ridiculously good -- detailed, kept up to date, and with some nice insider info. But it, for precisely that reason, can also cause a lot of anxiety!
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As pp noted, his criteria are idiosyncratic and he is not wowed by fancy credentials, but mostly seems to hire people with whom he has some personal connection (or who is recommended by a personal connection). If you know any professors or others who know him and can put in a call on your behalf, you should definitely try and make that happen (though that's true in every case).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:44 pmI see Chin just posted for ‘23. Anyone know what his hiring criteria is like?
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Any information on NYC you'd be willing to share?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:12 pmAnonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:52 pmAny movement from SDNY or EDNY judges? I know HLS has a list of judges that has offered interviews, wondering if anyone can share some info lol
That HLS list is ridiculously good -- detailed, kept up to date, and with some nice insider info. But it, for precisely that reason, can also cause a lot of anxiety!
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How required is "required" for Newman regarding previous clerkship experience? I have externship experience where I basically did the same work of a clerk, but not an actual clerkship. Also, regarding preference for people with young kids, do I literally just mention in the cover letter that I have a young kid?
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I can’t speak to Newman in particular, but externing is generally not a substitute for clerking for judges with such requirements.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:48 amHow required is "required" for Newman regarding previous clerkship experience? I have externship experience where I basically did the same work of a clerk, but not an actual clerkship. Also, regarding preference for people with young kids, do I literally just mention in the cover letter that I have a young kid?
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Ah, that sucks. Well, doesn't hurt to apply anyways, I suppose.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:30 amI can’t speak to Newman in particular, but externing is generally not a substitute for clerking for judges with such requirements.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:48 amHow required is "required" for Newman regarding previous clerkship experience? I have externship experience where I basically did the same work of a clerk, but not an actual clerkship. Also, regarding preference for people with young kids, do I literally just mention in the cover letter that I have a young kid?
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Their career services/clerkship office probably wants to keep that locked up pretty tight and wouldn't appreciate people sharing it, like most OCI handbooks, etc
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Yeah, but that’s why there’s an anon feature lol obviously they’re under no obligation to share! Would just be nice for those who go to schools with shit clerkship offices to hear about movement, especially since just hearing what judges have offered interviews doesn’t dox anyone or involve any work product from the clerkship office.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:49 pmTheir career services/clerkship office probably wants to keep that locked up pretty tight and wouldn't appreciate people sharing it, like most OCI handbooks, etc
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Is Judge Lee still hiring for 2022-2023?
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Judge Kovner got an admonishment from CA2 for trying to game the six-month list in a summary order today. Not a great look, especially since she didn’t get an opinion out until three months after an order dismissing the case for list purposes.
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For someone who's unfamiliar with the six-month list... what's the implication here? Just not a judge doing her job or something larger?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 amJudge Kovner got an admonishment from CA2 for trying to game the six-month list in a summary order today. Not a great look, especially since she didn’t get an opinion out until three months after an order dismissing the case for list purposes.
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The list of motions pending longer than six months serves as a shaming tool. I read it to mean that CA2 wants to admonish her for sloppiness. The judges where I clerk have taught me that it’s mostly like high school—huge emphasis on reputation, who you run with, etc. I wager it’s another instance of that.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:54 amFor someone who's unfamiliar with the six-month list... what's the implication here? Just not a judge doing her job or something larger?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 amJudge Kovner got an admonishment from CA2 for trying to game the six-month list in a summary order today. Not a great look, especially since she didn’t get an opinion out until three months after an order dismissing the case for list purposes.
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Yeah it’s a name and shame tool to get judges to decide motions on time. Here she issued a bare order denying a MTD, but then didn’t issue an opinion for three months. The point of that is that since you’ve technically decided it, it’s not on the list. It’s considered poor form because it creates an appellate jurisdiction issue that can trap unsophisticated litigants, and because it complies with the letter but not the spirit of the rules.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:16 pmThe list of motions pending longer than six months serves as a shaming tool. I read it to mean that CA2 wants to admonish her for sloppiness. The judges where I clerk have taught me that it’s mostly like high school—huge emphasis on reputation, who you run with, etc. I wager it’s another instance of that.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:54 amFor someone who's unfamiliar with the six-month list... what's the implication here? Just not a judge doing her job or something larger?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 amJudge Kovner got an admonishment from CA2 for trying to game the six-month list in a summary order today. Not a great look, especially since she didn’t get an opinion out until three months after an order dismissing the case for list purposes.
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Link?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 amJudge Kovner got an admonishment from CA2 for trying to game the six-month list in a summary order today. Not a great look, especially since she didn’t get an opinion out until three months after an order dismissing the case for list purposes.
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https://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/ ... /4/hilite/Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:17 pmLink?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:09 amJudge Kovner got an admonishment from CA2 for trying to game the six-month list in a summary order today. Not a great look, especially since she didn’t get an opinion out until three months after an order dismissing the case for list purposes.
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I heard he is interviewing but I am unsure if all the spots are filled.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:35 pmAs pp noted, his criteria are idiosyncratic and he is not wowed by fancy credentials, but mostly seems to hire people with whom he has some personal connection (or who is recommended by a personal connection). If you know any professors or others who know him and can put in a call on your behalf, you should definitely try and make that happen (though that's true in every case).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:44 pmI see Chin just posted for ‘23. Anyone know what his hiring criteria is like?
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He’s hired. I’ve seen posts on LinkedIn and I know he does all his hiring at once.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:06 pmI heard he is interviewing but I am unsure if all the spots are filled.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:35 pmAs pp noted, his criteria are idiosyncratic and he is not wowed by fancy credentials, but mostly seems to hire people with whom he has some personal connection (or who is recommended by a personal connection). If you know any professors or others who know him and can put in a call on your behalf, you should definitely try and make that happen (though that's true in every case).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:44 pmI see Chin just posted for ‘23. Anyone know what his hiring criteria is like?
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Has Chin interviewed and/or hired for '23-'24? I saw a Linkedin post for '22-'23 but that's all.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:54 pmHe’s hired. I’ve seen posts on LinkedIn and I know he does all his hiring at once.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:06 pmI heard he is interviewing but I am unsure if all the spots are filled.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:35 pmAs pp noted, his criteria are idiosyncratic and he is not wowed by fancy credentials, but mostly seems to hire people with whom he has some personal connection (or who is recommended by a personal connection). If you know any professors or others who know him and can put in a call on your behalf, you should definitely try and make that happen (though that's true in every case).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:44 pmI see Chin just posted for ‘23. Anyone know what his hiring criteria is like?
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Edited because the info I gave was wrong!Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 4:06 pmHas Chin interviewed and/or hired for '23-'24? I saw a Linkedin post for '22-'23 but that's all.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:54 pmHe’s hired. I’ve seen posts on LinkedIn and I know he does all his hiring at once.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:06 pmI heard he is interviewing but I am unsure if all the spots are filled.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:35 pmAs pp noted, his criteria are idiosyncratic and he is not wowed by fancy credentials, but mostly seems to hire people with whom he has some personal connection (or who is recommended by a personal connection). If you know any professors or others who know him and can put in a call on your behalf, you should definitely try and make that happen (though that's true in every case).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:44 pmI see Chin just posted for ‘23. Anyone know what his hiring criteria is like?
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Does Carney send out letters to all applicants informing them of receipt of their application? Trying to figure out if it's some sign that I made it past an initial round of review. Maybe I'm reading too much into things.
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Newman is widely regarded as an outstanding judge, but has by far the lowest caseload on CA2 at this point. He’s the only senior who isn’t fairly active.
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Anyone have any insight into Merriam? I haven't been able to track down anyone who has worked in her chambers but I'm very interested in her.
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