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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Anyone have any info on Judge Thacker? Is she hiring for 2023 right now?

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Also curious, all I got was the generic email saying thanks for applying we will email people selected for interviews

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

Post by KtLaw747 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:22 pm

Assuming Gregory moved on interviews for the 2023-24 term already, but does anyone know for sure? OSCAR says interviews mid September.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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KtLaw747 wrote:
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Assuming Gregory moved on interviews for the 2023-24 term already, but does anyone know for sure? OSCAR says interviews mid September.
He evidently conducted some interviews in July and August despite what OSCAR said. But I'm not aware of hires having been made.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Anyone have any info on Judge Thacker? Is she hiring for 2023 right now?
Got an email from Thacker saying she's only looking for 22-23 right now. It said to resubmit for 23-24 before the end of May 2022.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Anyone know about Heytens timeline?

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Heytens has finished hiring for 2022-23

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Does anyone have any insight into how Gregory, Thacker, Harris, Keenan, and Motz are as bosses?

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:39 am
Does anyone have any insight into how Gregory, Thacker, Harris, Keenan, and Motz are as bosses?
Gregory and Thacker are both reportedly terrific clerkships. Harris clerks work a ton, though I've never been clear on whether that's because she's a demanding boss or she just hires gunners (maybe both). Motz has a reputation for being "prickly," though her former clerks all seem to adore her. I've heard similar things about Keenan, but fwiw my understand is that she's stepping down soon and isn't hiring any more clerks.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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phillybatman wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:39 am
Does anyone have any insight into how Gregory, Thacker, Harris, Keenan, and Motz are as bosses?
Gregory and Thacker are both reportedly terrific clerkships. Harris clerks work a ton, though I've never been clear on whether that's because she's a demanding boss or she just hires gunners (maybe both). Motz has a reputation for being "prickly," though her former clerks all seem to adore her. I've heard similar things about Keenan, but fwiw my understand is that she's stepping down soon and isn't hiring any more clerks.
Thanks! What about King, Diaz, Wynn, Floyd (although going senior)? Also any thoughts on who is getting Floyd’s seat. Seemed like Childs before DC Cir. nom

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:54 pm
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Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:33 am
phillybatman wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:39 am
Does anyone have any insight into how Gregory, Thacker, Harris, Keenan, and Motz are as bosses?
Gregory and Thacker are both reportedly terrific clerkships. Harris clerks work a ton, though I've never been clear on whether that's because she's a demanding boss or she just hires gunners (maybe both). Motz has a reputation for being "prickly," though her former clerks all seem to adore her. I've heard similar things about Keenan, but fwiw my understand is that she's stepping down soon and isn't hiring any more clerks.
Thanks! What about King, Diaz, Wynn, Floyd (although going senior)? Also any thoughts on who is getting Floyd’s seat. Seemed like Childs before DC Cir. nom
Heard that Diaz great to work for in terms of mentorship, experience, hours, etc. Not sure about any of the others.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:33 am
phillybatman wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:39 am
Does anyone have any insight into how Gregory, Thacker, Harris, Keenan, and Motz are as bosses?
Gregory and Thacker are both reportedly terrific clerkships. Harris clerks work a ton, though I've never been clear on whether that's because she's a demanding boss or she just hires gunners (maybe both). Motz has a reputation for being "prickly," though her former clerks all seem to adore her. I've heard similar things about Keenan, but fwiw my understand is that she's stepping down soon and isn't hiring any more clerks.
This is super helpful, thank you!

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:54 pm
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Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:33 am
phillybatman wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:39 am
Does anyone have any insight into how Gregory, Thacker, Harris, Keenan, and Motz are as bosses?
Gregory and Thacker are both reportedly terrific clerkships. Harris clerks work a ton, though I've never been clear on whether that's because she's a demanding boss or she just hires gunners (maybe both). Motz has a reputation for being "prickly," though her former clerks all seem to adore her. I've heard similar things about Keenan, but fwiw my understand is that she's stepping down soon and isn't hiring any more clerks.
Thanks! What about King, Diaz, Wynn, Floyd (although going senior)? Also any thoughts on who is getting Floyd’s seat. Seemed like Childs before DC Cir. nom
(Different anon from above.) I think Floyd is a terrific clerkship; hours seem very good and his clerks seem to be huge fans. No sense on who is getting Floyd's seat post-Childs nom yet. Totally agree with the above comments on Gregory/Thacker/Harris/Motz. I'll note that Thacker almost exclusively hires people with ties to West Virginia (I think King also cares about West VA ties). Harris clerks do work a ton (agree combo of gunners/demanding boss, it seems like she basically hires feeder-ish types) but seem to really like Harris. Diaz will be chief judge soon so will get an extra clerk, I had a friend of a friend who clerked for him and thought it was a great clerkship and the office space in Charlotte is very nice.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:29 am
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Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:54 pm
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Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:33 am
phillybatman wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:39 am
Does anyone have any insight into how Gregory, Thacker, Harris, Keenan, and Motz are as bosses?
Gregory and Thacker are both reportedly terrific clerkships. Harris clerks work a ton, though I've never been clear on whether that's because she's a demanding boss or she just hires gunners (maybe both). Motz has a reputation for being "prickly," though her former clerks all seem to adore her. I've heard similar things about Keenan, but fwiw my understand is that she's stepping down soon and isn't hiring any more clerks.
Thanks! What about King, Diaz, Wynn, Floyd (although going senior)? Also any thoughts on who is getting Floyd’s seat. Seemed like Childs before DC Cir. nom
(Different anon from above.) I think Floyd is a terrific clerkship; hours seem very good and his clerks seem to be huge fans. No sense on who is getting Floyd's seat post-Childs nom yet. Totally agree with the above comments on Gregory/Thacker/Harris/Motz. I'll note that Thacker almost exclusively hires people with ties to West Virginia (I think King also cares about West VA ties). Harris clerks do work a ton (agree combo of gunners/demanding boss, it seems like she basically hires feeder-ish types) but seem to really like Harris. Diaz will be chief judge soon so will get an extra clerk, I had a friend of a friend who clerked for him and thought it was a great clerkship and the office space in Charlotte is very nice.
New anon. I remember reading something a while back about Diaz’s chambers costing fed gov $1 mill (good for him! LOL) must be nice for the clerks and judge.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:16 pm

Diaz just posted on OSCAR for 2024 - I'm assuming this means he's full for 2023, but can anyone with more info confirm?

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Diaz just posted on OSCAR for 2024 - I'm assuming this means he's full for 2023, but can anyone with more info confirm?
I know he filled at least one position for 2023 back in June, but not sure if he filled all of his 2023 slots.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Wilkinson has hired at least 1 for 2024-2025.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Does anyone know when Gregory is going senior?

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Does anyone know when Gregory is going senior?
Also wondering this - he hasn't announced like Motz or Floyd did. If he doesn't do it soon, Biden will probably not have time to fill his seat before the midterms (and Dems almost certainly won't have the votes to confirm anyone afterwards).

Him, Moore on the 6th, Rovner on the 7th, and Gould on the 9th are judges that I thought would have taken senior status by now. I would hope Biden's people are reaching out to judges eligible for senior status, but given their general ineptitude and failure to even nominate any new judges in over a month, I doubt they've done anything meaningful.

You would think the Democrats would have learned their lesson about the importance of the judiciary after the Trump years, but nope they're as incompetent as ever.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:46 pm
Does anyone know when Gregory is going senior?
Also wondering this - he hasn't announced like Motz or Floyd did. If he doesn't do it soon, Biden will probably not have time to fill his seat before the midterms (and Dems almost certainly won't have the votes to confirm anyone afterwards).

Him, Moore on the 6th, Rovner on the 7th, and Gould on the 9th are judges that I thought would have taken senior status by now. I would hope Biden's people are reaching out to judges eligible for senior status, but given their general ineptitude and failure to even nominate any new judges in over a month, I doubt they've done anything meaningful.

You would think the Democrats would have learned their lesson about the importance of the judiciary after the Trump years, but nope they're as incompetent as ever.
I'd start by looking at when his term as Chief Judge ends. I don't know that it's impossible to go senior while Chief, but I don't think I've ever heard of that happening on an appeals court (or district for that matter, but seems more likely). Could be a particularly bad look considering that he was renominated by a President of the opposite party.

Also, seems worth mentioning who is at fault for the "principle" that Democrats are not allowed to confirm anyone unless they control 51 Senate votes. Letting that be taken for granted seems like a favor to McConnell.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Sat May 21, 2022 4:23 pm

Probably a shot in the dark but to those who know Heytens's hires, have they generally been feeder-level candidates? He's probably the buzziest of the Biden noms (besides KBJ herself obviously) in that department.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Probably a shot in the dark but to those who know Heytens's hires, have they generally been feeder-level candidates? He's probably the buzziest of the Biden noms (besides KBJ herself obviously) in that department.
They've been pretty high-quality. Multiple clerkships with feeder-level judges (think Rakoff, Brinkema, etc.). Has multiples hires from Yale and UVA.

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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!

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Probably a shot in the dark but to those who know Heytens's hires, have they generally been feeder-level candidates? He's probably the buzziest of the Biden noms (besides KBJ herself obviously) in that department.
They've been pretty high-quality. Multiple clerkships with feeder-level judges (think Rakoff, Brinkema, etc.). Has multiples hires from Yale and UVA.
His first class were all experienced attorneys he's known for a long time. Not sure who he's hired for his next class.

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