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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Yeti » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:21 pm

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Every opinion Pittman writes in a major case includes cringey footnotes quoting obscure long-dead Virginia jurists about how the result doesn't reflect his politics. I don't know where he finds them. He's a good technical writer but his style is immature and try-hard.
Fed Soc writing style is cringe
The “cringey footnotes” are inserted in the most conspicuous parts of the opinion (i.e., page 1 and the conclusion). So they are probably directed at laypeople – a way of saying, look, my hands are tied; please avoid spamming my chambers with hate mail, nasty phone calls or worse (see e.g., Kavanaugh incident).

I agree, the 18th-century quotes are a little "try-hard" and reek of in-group signaling. But judicial authors probably view these sorts of disclaimers as necessary given the amount of public attention receive nowadays.

A suggestion is to keep the disclaimer ("I'm not saying loan forgiveness is good or bad") but remove the Founding Era quotations. You don't need a citation for as basic a maxim as "the Court’s job is merely to interpret the law."

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by lavarman84 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:59 pm

Let's be honest, though, his hands definitely weren't tied. Dude bent over backwards on justiciability (in an obviously wrong way imo) to find a way to get to the merits.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:37 pm

Not all Fed Soc judges do the cringey writing thing. E.g. Bibas, Easterbrook, Miller, Roberts, Park—excellent writers who excise all fluff.

Though some opinions go to the other extreme. I recently saw a Thapar opinion that didn’t include any of his usual cutesy flourishes, but was so over-the-top ostentatiously staccato that it was unreadable. Bibas’s New Jersey Rifle dissent is similar.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:45 pm

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Not all Fed Soc judges do the cringey writing thing. E.g. Bibas, Easterbrook, Miller, Roberts, Park—excellent writers who excise all fluff.

Though some opinions go to the other extreme. I recently saw a Thapar opinion that didn’t include any of his usual cutesy flourishes, but was so over-the-top ostentatiously staccato that it was unreadable. Bibas’s New Jersey Rifle dissent is similar.
I've noticed this with some of the Trump circuit appointees as well—the writing has become so pithy that it makes it hard to read. I'm all for readability, but some of these guys are trying hard so hard to be Scalia that they end up with worse writing than if they just included the occasional multi-clause sentence.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:07 pm

Anyone know why Judge Haynes has "an unexpected opening" and posted for a Jan 23 - Aug 24 clerkship? Did she let a clerk go?

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:10 pm

Long shot, but anyone know anything about Kristi Johnson (S.D. Miss.), saw she posted.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:19 pm

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Anyone know why Judge Haynes has "an unexpected opening" and posted for a Jan 23 - Aug 24 clerkship? Did she let a clerk go?
Possible, also possible a clerk had a baby or some other personal circumstance.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:22 pm

Clerk resigned for personal reasons; all amicable.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:15 pm

I heard Judge Wilson still has 2 slots open for 25-26. Not a stickler for grades, so worth applying to.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:11 pm

Haynes just posted. Any thoughts good or bad?

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:28 pm

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Haynes just posted. Any thoughts good or bad?
I would also be interested in this. Someone earlier had mentioned her clerks were miserable and I am wondering if they could elaborate on that.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:14 am

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Haynes just posted. Any thoughts good or bad?
I would also be interested in this. Someone earlier had mentioned her clerks were miserable and I am wondering if they could elaborate on that.
Bumping this and will also lower my standards to information based purely on rumors if anyone has any. If not, I'll err on the cautionary side and not apply.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:27 pm

Former clerk. Haynes is quirky, but so are most judges. She is a good boss, just a strong personality. Still worth the clerkship line on the resume.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:33 pm

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Former clerk. Haynes is quirky, but so are most judges. She is a good boss, just a strong personality. Still worth the clerkship line on the resume.
Quirky in a like sort of nerdy way (maybe a little shy, introverted etc...) or quirky in a like quick to anger sort of way? I guess I'm asking if the quirkiness is just "different" or is it "bad."

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:35 pm

Thoughts on Ellison? Any help for getting a COA clerkship after?

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:43 pm

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Thoughts on Ellison? Any help for getting a COA clerkship after?
I think Ellison mostly hires clerks with sterling credentials who probably wouldn't need the help with a COA.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:45 am

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Thoughts on Ellison? Any help for getting a COA clerkship after?
Pretty much universally regarded as a great judge and a genuinely nice and wonderful mentor who really invests in his clerks. He's one of the top choices for the liberal PI folks who want to clerk, although a criminal justice bent isn't required; he's open to hiring anyone. He's very well-respected among COA judges and I'm sure would be quite helpful in getting you a second clerkship. The folks I know who have clerked for him tend to also have worked for another notable liberal COA judge (someone like Higginson on CA5 or Fletcher/Berzon/Friedland on CA9).

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:22 am

Has Haynes extended interview invites for 2025-26 since the plan opened?

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:36 pm

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Has Haynes extended interview invites for 2025-26 since the plan opened?
Yes. Don't know if there has been an offer though.

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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:37 am

Any thoughts on Judge Africk/on ED Louisiana more generally?

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