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Those rules are the most confusing things ever. Any other good supplements (other than Glannon's E&E since I already looked through it)? I can search but there's just way too topics when I tried.

Thanks all.

I checked the Understanding Civil Procedure book infrequently and it helped somewhat, but the E&E was easier to read. I also used the Arthur Miller's Sum and Substance CD set, which was the best of all the CDs I have listened to so far. If I was really confused or wanted a better understanding I would consult the couple pages pertaining to the rule or concept in West's Civ Pro Hornbook.

I have a book called Pretrial, which was recommended here, for my second semester Civ Pro class that focuses on discovery forward.

What are you having problems with in Civil Procedure that the E&E isn't addressing?

I guess I am looking for more problems to work. The E&E is great, but everyone's reading it already so I want more O.o, and some parts are still epically tricky.

The Glannon Guide has similar information as Glannon's E&E, but the problems are multiple choice. So if you're just looking for more problems, then I would check that out. And the multiple choice questions are helpful because he goes A through D and describes why each incorrect choice is wrong.

Arrow wrote:Those rules are the most confusing things ever. Any other good supplements (other than Glannon's E&E since I already looked through it)? I can search but there's just way too topics when I tried.

Thanks all.

Emanuel's is pretty good in terms of just telling you what you need to know but it is really dry reading (i.e. boring), and the author is kind of an asshole and just throws in random 1 page case briefs in random places. If you just skip over the case briefs and skim through the bolded stuff you can extract out what you need to know. IMO, Barbri is still the best for FRCP cuz it cuts the bullshit and just tells you the rules.

Law in a Flash flash card were pretty good for civpro if you are just looking for problems to work through.

Arrow wrote:I guess I am looking for more problems to work. The E&E is great, but everyone's reading it already so I want more O.o, and some parts are still epically tricky.

I liked the Acing Civ Pro book. It is short, with a quick summary of concepts and 1-2 problems at the end of each. I also liked Siegel's essay and multiple choice questions for Civ Pro.

I'll also vouch for Understanding Civ Pro.

You absolutely need to get Freer's supp for Civ Pro. Saved my life last semester. Way better than Glannon's IMO. "Introduction to Civil Procedure" by Richard Freer. There are also tapes you can listen to in addition to the hornbook.

simplyelle wrote:You absolutely need to get Freer's supp for Civ Pro. Saved my life last semester. Way better than Glannon's IMO. "Introduction to Civil Procedure" by Richard Freer. There are also tapes you can listen to in addition to the hornbook.

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This is an excellent supplement.
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Civi ... 91&sr=8-22

Thanks for all your recommendations, didn't realize there were so many good books out there. I'll flip through them this week.

Glannon, Glannon, Glannon. If you get bored of reading E&E twice, flip through the guide. I never read/listened in civpro, just hung out with glannon/an old outline and it was my best class

BradyToMoss wrote:Glannon, Glannon, Glannon. If you get bored of reading E&E twice, flip through the guide. I never read/listened in civpro, just hung out with glannon/an old outline and it was my best class

the Gunner requires other supps that his classmates aren't using, man

which casebook are you using?

i found that doing the problems in the book helped me understand everything. learn the cases, work the problems, and focus on sorting through the nonsense and refining your understanding of the material. don't overcomplicate things.

i didn't use a single supplement, and civ pro was A-okay.

underdawg wrote:

BradyToMoss wrote:Glannon, Glannon, Glannon. If you get bored of reading E&E twice, flip through the guide. I never read/listened in civpro, just hung out with glannon/an old outline and it was my best class

the Gunner requires other supps that his classmates aren't using, man

Yea I forgot it was Arrow I was dealing with for a second.

We have Yeazel, but yeah thanks for understanding.

I didn't mean to seem not understanding?

I just think that too many supplements can complicate things sometimes. If you have or can get an outline from upperclassmen who did well in Civ Pro, that could really help as well.

I personally have never understood how people have issues with procedural classes like CivPro, compared to free-form substantive classes like Torts. Being in law school means learning rules. In Civil Procedure, you've got a book of . . . RULES. Black letter, right there in front of you, and they really aren't tricky. Yeah, personal jurisdiction is kind of a trip, but blame the Supreme Court for that. Even Asahi can be boiled down to black letter principles.

That being said, Freer's Introduction to Civil Procedure is definitely the best hornbook out there. If E&E by Glannon isn't doing it, Freer will fill in the blanks in spades (and take 35 pages doing it in painstaking, excruciating, but solid detail).

But better yet, why not just analyze the FRCP the way they are divided up in the table of contents. You have jurisdiction, venue, long-arm statutes, then you have introductory guidance rules for how you file documents in a court, your joinder rules for parties, your discovery rules, your jury/trial/dispositive motions rules, and your post-trial rules. There's all the major subject headings in your outline. From there, start filling in the details. When you're doing hypos, pretend you are trying a case. Because that's what these rules are trying to teach you.

I'd recommend Issacharoff's book in Concepts and Insights. It's not a replacement for a Glannon or Emanuel-type book, in that its more big-picture and places less emphasis on the rules, but if you're the kind of person that needs to know what the forest looks like, in addition to the trees, it provides a useful framework.

I found this outline and set of class notes helpful for my class, we had the Yeazel casebook : http://lawschool.mikeshecket.com/civpro/

http://www.macabelegal.com/yeazell.html Briefs most of the cases in that book pretty well.

melbelle wrote:I liked the Acing Civ Pro book. It is short, with a quick summary of concepts and 1-2 problems at the end of each. I also liked Siegel's essay and multiple choice questions for Civ Pro.

I used Acing Civ Pro. It doesn't have anything on Class Actions, but sets you up with questions to guide your outline. If This then A If that then B.

I had that both Glannon's and the Kaplan book. I really didn't buy supplements for other classes, and didn't realize I had bought 4 over a couple week span until I had them all. I did well in the class.

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