NYU Latin Honors Forum

[talons2250]

Does NYU order of the coif get decided after 5 or 6 semesters? Vaguely recall last year that a 3L said they got coif even though it was like March

There's a ceremony in the middle of spring semester 3L where the school honors order of the coif inductees based on GPAs after 5 semesters, but it's only provisional and it's not official. Then, after grades for spring semester come in, the official order of the coif inductees are notified on their final transcripts, and that official determination is made based on GPAs after all 6 semesters. There typically are a handful of provisional order of the coif folks who are knocked out of the top 10% based on relatively sub-par spring semester 3L grades, and then conversely a handful of people who didn't make provisional who end up being order of the coif based on relatively strong spring semester 3L grades.

[lost3039]

Does NYU order of the coif get decided after 5 or 6 semesters? Vaguely recall last year that a 3L said they got coif even though it was like March

There's a ceremony in the middle of spring semester 3L where the school honors order of the coif inductees based on GPAs after 5 semesters, but it's only provisional and it's not official. Then, after grades for spring semester come in, the official order of the coif inductees are notified on their final transcripts, and that official determination is made based on GPAs after all 6 semesters. There typically are a handful of provisional order of the coif folks who are knocked out of the top 10% based on relatively sub-par spring semester 3L grades, and then conversely a handful of people who didn't make provisional who end up being order of the coif based on relatively strong spring semester 3L grades.

That feels... kind of weird though no? Like why do it that way. I imagine the order of coif people who get kicked out feel weird/bad having gone to the ceremony and not getting the transcript and then to a lesser extent the people who were not originally in the order of coif are probably upset that they missed the ceremony.

[talons2250]

Does NYU order of the coif get decided after 5 or 6 semesters? Vaguely recall last year that a 3L said they got coif even though it was like March

There's a ceremony in the middle of spring semester 3L where the school honors order of the coif inductees based on GPAs after 5 semesters, but it's only provisional and it's not official. Then, after grades for spring semester come in, the official order of the coif inductees are notified on their final transcripts, and that official determination is made based on GPAs after all 6 semesters. There typically are a handful of provisional order of the coif folks who are knocked out of the top 10% based on relatively sub-par spring semester 3L grades, and then conversely a handful of people who didn't make provisional who end up being order of the coif based on relatively strong spring semester 3L grades.

That feels... kind of weird though no? Like why do it that way. I imagine the order of coif people who get kicked out feel weird/bad having gone to the ceremony and not getting the transcript and then to a lesser extent the people who were not originally in the order of coif are probably upset that they missed the ceremony.

Yeah, it's awkward and weird for those people. The only alternative would be to not have a ceremony at all or do the ceremony after 3L grades come in during the graduation or something.

[lost3039]

Does NYU order of the coif get decided after 5 or 6 semesters? Vaguely recall last year that a 3L said they got coif even though it was like March

There's a ceremony in the middle of spring semester 3L where the school honors order of the coif inductees based on GPAs after 5 semesters, but it's only provisional and it's not official. Then, after grades for spring semester come in, the official order of the coif inductees are notified on their final transcripts, and that official determination is made based on GPAs after all 6 semesters. There typically are a handful of provisional order of the coif folks who are knocked out of the top 10% based on relatively sub-par spring semester 3L grades, and then conversely a handful of people who didn't make provisional who end up being order of the coif based on relatively strong spring semester 3L grades.

That feels... kind of weird though no? Like why do it that way. I imagine the order of coif people who get kicked out feel weird/bad having gone to the ceremony and not getting the transcript and then to a lesser extent the people who were not originally in the order of coif are probably upset that they missed the ceremony.

Yeah, it's awkward and weird for those people. The only alternative would be to not have a ceremony at all or do the ceremony after 3L grades come in during the graduation or something.

Do you happen to know when provisional coif comes out or when we'll hear about it?

[talons2250]

Does NYU order of the coif get decided after 5 or 6 semesters? Vaguely recall last year that a 3L said they got coif even though it was like March

There's a ceremony in the middle of spring semester 3L where the school honors order of the coif inductees based on GPAs after 5 semesters, but it's only provisional and it's not official. Then, after grades for spring semester come in, the official order of the coif inductees are notified on their final transcripts, and that official determination is made based on GPAs after all 6 semesters. There typically are a handful of provisional order of the coif folks who are knocked out of the top 10% based on relatively sub-par spring semester 3L grades, and then conversely a handful of people who didn't make provisional who end up being order of the coif based on relatively strong spring semester 3L grades.

That feels... kind of weird though no? Like why do it that way. I imagine the order of coif people who get kicked out feel weird/bad having gone to the ceremony and not getting the transcript and then to a lesser extent the people who were not originally in the order of coif are probably upset that they missed the ceremony.

Yeah, it's awkward and weird for those people. The only alternative would be to not have a ceremony at all or do the ceremony after 3L grades come in during the graduation or something.

Do you happen to know when provisional coif comes out or when we'll hear about it?

I think a few weeks before spring break but I'm not sure.

[lost3039]

Anyone hear anything re provisional order of the coif?

[onmars]

Anyone hear anything re provisional order of the coif?

I heard it might not be till April, but I do hope someone posts when they do go out . . .

[lost3039]

Anyone hear anything re provisional order of the coif?

I heard it might not be till April, but I do hope someone posts when they do go out . . .

I feel like with your 3.8, you're probably a shoo in though. Nothing to worry about.

[Bogajoga]

Anyone know what cum laude cutoff was for Class of 2022? Do we think a 3.66 is high enough for cum laude?

[lost3039]

Anyone know what cum laude cutoff was for Class of 2022? Do we think a 3.66 is high enough for cum laude?

Yes, that is definitely enough. my understanding is cum laude is like 3.6.

[onmars]

Anyone hear anything re provisional order of the coif?

I heard it might not be till April, but I do hope someone posts when they do go out . . .

I feel like with your 3.8, you're probably a shoo in though. Nothing to worry about.

letters sent yesterday evening (assuming to everyone)

Anyone know what cum laude cutoff was for Class of 2022? Do we think a 3.66 is high enough for cum laude?

Yes, that is definitely enough. my understanding is cum laude is like 3.6.

agreed, you're good. I know someone who got cum laude w/ a 3.67 last year and '22 had inflated grades b/c they missed a semester of 1L.

[lost3039]

Anyone hear anything re provisional order of the coif?

I heard it might not be till April, but I do hope someone posts when they do go out . . .

I feel like with your 3.8, you're probably a shoo in though. Nothing to worry about.

letters sent yesterday evening (assuming to everyone)

Anyone know what cum laude cutoff was for Class of 2022? Do we think a 3.66 is high enough for cum laude?

Yes, that is definitely enough. my understanding is cum laude is like 3.6.

agreed, you're good. I know someone who got cum laude w/ a 3.67 last year and '22 had inflated grades b/c they missed a semester of 1L.

I missed it with a 3.821

@onmars, did you make it?

[onmars]

I missed it with a 3.821

@onmars, did you make it?

I'm shocked you didn't get it w/ 3.82, but then again, there's 0 transparency around all of this. Letters were individually addressed, so it may be that they're still going out(?) I made it w/ ~3.84.

[lost3039]

I missed it with a 3.821

@onmars, did you make it?

I'm shocked you didn't get it w/ 3.82, but then again, there's 0 transparency around all of this. Letters were individually addressed, so it may be that they're still going out(?) I made it w/ ~3.84.

If it is similar to the Allen one, it may just be a mail merged. Also shocked I didn't make it with a 3.82, but alas. Any idea what the percent cutoff was?

[NYUyorker]

Also really surprised 3.82 wasn't enough. Do the provisional letters go out to the whole top 10%, or to some smaller segment to make sure people drop out after the award ceremony? If I'm running a 3.78 does that pretty much mean I'm out of running for magna/coif at this point?

[lost3039]

Also really surprised 3.82 wasn't enough. Do the provisional letters go out to the whole top 10%, or to some smaller segment to make sure people drop out after the award ceremony? If I'm running a 3.78 does that pretty much mean I'm out of running for magna/coif at this point?

It seems like 3.78 would have been enough for magna/coif like a year or two ago and our class did not have P/F 1L so tbh I'm a little confused on what is happening. One post a few years ago off-handedly mentioned provision was top 8% but even then I had figured 3.82 would be within top 8%. So there is a possibility provisional is actually top 5% or even lower? Curious if anyone from the class of 2022 who was provisional know how many people were there.

[NYUyorker]

Particularly given reports that 3.751 was enough for Allen last semester - it’s hard for me to see how 3.821 could possibly not fall in top 8%. Obviously shooting in the (optimistic) dark though.

[lost3039]

Sorry for the double post, but apparently it was actually top 6% a year according to a list going around.

[hopefullawscholar]

Did they send an email in addition to a letter?

[lost3039]

Did they send an email in addition to a letter?

I have no idea but I've had two friends text me a photo with a list of 28 names. Maybe the Professors got a letter or something and one of them shared it.

[hopefullawscholar]

That's very odd! Oh well, no reassurance for the border cases I guess.

[Livelaughlaw]

Any updates on magna/coif GPA cutoffs or provisional? Is it possible that class of 2023 has inflated GPAs and that's why a 3.82 is now insufficient for magna/coif?

[lost3039]

Any updates on magna/coif GPA cutoffs or provisional? Is it possible that class of 2023 has inflated GPAs and that's why a 3.82 is now insufficient for magna/coif?

To clarify, my understanding is that 3.82 was not enough for top 6% after 5 semesters. That does not mean that 3.82 is not enough for top 10% after 6 semesters. If I had to guess, I'd say the cutoff for magna/coif will be 3.8.

[lost3039]

Alright, so I figure coif/magna/cum will come out soon now that all grades were supposed to be released?

[NYUyorker]

My uneducated guess is we won’t hear until at least mid-next week- even ignoring the the turnaround time for grades turned in last minute (I’m still waiting on two classes to post), there are always a few professors who turn in grades late, and they probably have to wait for everything to be in before calculating.