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Hi guys!

I am a weekend law student, at Cooley. I really like Cooley, but driving 5 hours, being in class for 3 hours each (2 sat. 1 Sun.) is driving me batty.

Does anybody who might be familiar with Cooley's weekend program have any advice on how to work smarter not harder? I work during the week (75-80 hours) and am completely and utterly tired. I use energy drinks just to function at a normal level now and it's showing. I totally messed up on my midterms, because I haven't had the time or energy to study.

After briefing everyday, after work and trying to run errands, pay bills, and maintain my household; I am spent. Anybody have any strategies, wisdom or ideas that could help?

I would really be thankful!

Arianna

*gets popcorn

This isn't real, right?

I mean, this can't possibly be real, right?

Arianna, why did you go to law school?

Barring some extraordinary answer to this question, you need to drop out. Cooley is a truly terrible school. You're killing yourself for a legal education that isn't worth what you're paying for it.(frankly, a Cooley education isn't worth anything to many of the people who graduate from there)

It's not worth it, especially with how much you work during the week.

lawman84 wrote:Arianna, why did you go to law school?

Barring some extraordinary answer to this question, you need to drop out. Cooley is a truly terrible school. You're killing yourself for a legal education that isn't worth what you're paying for it.(frankly, a Cooley education isn't worth anything to many of the people who graduate from there)

It's not worth it, especially with how much you work during the week.

ariannagriffinrin wrote:Hi guys!

I am a weekend law student, at Cooley. I really like Cooley, but driving 5 hours, being in class for 3 hours each (2 sat. 1 Sun.) is driving me batty.

Does anybody who might be familiar with Cooley's weekend program have any advice on how to work smarter not harder? I work during the week (75-80 hours) and am completely and utterly tired. I use energy drinks just to function at a normal level now and it's showing. I totally messed up on my midterms, because I haven't had the time or energy to study.

After briefing everyday, after work and trying to run errands, pay bills, and maintain my household; I am spent. Anybody have any strategies, wisdom or ideas that could help?

I would really be thankful!

Arianna

How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

...so how long have you worked at Cooley?


OP - Reevaluate whether it's financially wise for you to continue down this path. A degree from Cooley is not worth much no matter where you place in the class (and considering you are already burnt out, I'm going to assume you're not doing too well), and it is not worth the mental/physical strain you seem to be under.

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

grades?? wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

No actually I am a zero L. and I am looking to get into whatever school my Lsat score will allow me to get into. Bottom line being her chances of success are not 0 so she should continue with her goal period.

Attorney Mav wrote:

grades?? wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

No actually I am a zero L. and I am looking to get into whatever school my Lsat score will allow me to get into. Bottom line being her chances of success are not 0 so she should continue with her goal period.

Stop. You are giving terrible advice.

Attorney Mav wrote:

grades?? wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

No actually I am a zero L. and I am looking to get into whatever school my Lsat score will allow me to get into. Bottom line being her chances of success are not 0 so she should continue with her goal period.

Forget law school, you should go get a PhD in Economics.

Attorney Mav wrote: There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Have you taken the LSAT? If not, you might want to review your logical reasoning. The bolded is circular reasoning. You would've missed that question.

I don't want to be as harsh as to tell you to drop out because it seems like you somewhat enjoy studying law. But having said that, I eco others' concerns about your career prospect post-graduation. If you're not in debt and have a job to return to + you like studying --> then by all means continue your studies, and hopefully you can slow down a bit on some areas of your life (80 hours work sounds insane on top of studying for school). If you are in debt or see Cooley part-time JD as a way of getting a meaningful legal career, I would seriously urge you to reconsider. I'm sorry this is probably what you didn't want to hear. Also ignore that 0L who's making Cooley sound like a legitimate option -- I've seen too many people at much much better school (and who are not aiming for big law) doing incredibly terribly post-graduation.

Attorney Mav wrote:

grades?? wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

No actually I am a zero L. and I am looking to get into whatever school my Lsat score will allow me to get into. Bottom line being her chances of success are not 0 so she should continue with her goal period.

This can't be for real!

A 0L giving law school advice before they even take the LSAT?!!!

56% passed the bar who went to Cooley! 56%!!! that's a little over a 1 in 2 shot at passing the bar for a degree that costs well into the six figures. Really think about your advice, over 100k for a degree that gives you a 1 in 2 shot at passing entry into the profession. There are only seven schools that have lower admissions criteria than Cooley!

If your LSAT can't get you into Cooley, then you need to rethink your goals.

Now granted there are purposes for some people to go to certain law schools, maybe a T2 if they want to do something like public defense, solo practice, insurance defense, plantiff's PI work etc. and there is no need to disparage those attorneys. But most of them didn't go to Cooley, they went to places like Case Western, New Mexico, University of Denver etc. and none of those schools is particularly difficult to get into.

sweets91 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

grades?? wrote:
Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

No actually I am a zero L. and I am looking to get into whatever school my Lsat score will allow me to get into. Bottom line being her chances of success are not 0 so she should continue with her goal period.

Stop. You are giving terrible advice.

Are you kidding, this is awesome advice.


Its why I'm going to invest in lottery tickets instead of a 401K. I mean, my chances of winning a million dollars aren't 0, so its a great plan.

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:
There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Logic checks out.

Just because some grads end up as lawyers does not make it a worthwhile venture. Working for a solo for 30k or whatever is worse than just about anyone could do with a BS/BA and 3 years experience somewhere.

rcharter1978 wrote:This isn't real, right?

I mean, this can't possibly be real, right?

It's definitely real. I attend on the weekends and work in construction management during the week. In Illinois.

lawman84 wrote:Arianna, why did you go to law school?

Barring some extraordinary answer to this question, you need to drop out. Cooley is a truly terrible school. You're killing yourself for a legal education that isn't worth what you're paying for it.(frankly, a Cooley education isn't worth anything to many of the people who graduate from there)

It's not worth it, especially with how much you work during the week.

Hi there! Thanks for commenting. I would like to transfer, unfortunately most part-time programs start at 6PM and in construction you work well past that. That's why the weekend program has been great thus far, but I am literally energy-less.

esther0123 wrote:I don't want to be as harsh as to tell you to drop out because it seems like you somewhat enjoy studying law. But having said that, I eco others' concerns about your career prospect post-graduation. If you're not in debt and have a job to return to + you like studying --> then by all means continue your studies, and hopefully you can slow down a bit on some areas of your life (80 hours work sounds insane on top of studying for school). If you are in debt or see Cooley part-time JD as a way of getting a meaningful legal career, I would seriously urge you to reconsider. I'm sorry this is probably what you didn't want to hear. Also ignore that 0L who's making Cooley sound like a legitimate option -- I've seen too many people at much much better school (and who are not aiming for big law) doing incredibly terribly post-graduation.

Hi Esther, Love your name BTW! Thank you for your advice. I appreciate your kind candidness I have thought through possibly stopping, but in my field (construction.) the lawyers seem to make all of the money. I would like to make more and set an example for my nieces. Thank you again!

mathis1490 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

grades?? wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

No actually I am a zero L. and I am looking to get into whatever school my Lsat score will allow me to get into. Bottom line being her chances of success are not 0 so she should continue with her goal period.

Forget law school, you should go get a PhD in Economics.

lol you sound like my sister. Thanks for your response

Attorney Mav wrote:

grades?? wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

No actually I am a zero L. and I am looking to get into whatever school my Lsat score will allow me to get into. Bottom line being her chances of success are not 0 so she should continue with her goal period.

Thanks for your advice! Blessings to you on the process of admittance. I am sure you will do well

ariannagriffinrin wrote:

rcharter1978 wrote:This isn't real, right?

I mean, this can't possibly be real, right?

It's definitely real. I attend on the weekends and work in construction management during the week. In Illinois.

So wait, why do you want a JD?

If it's to simply further your current career, why not go to a cheap online unaccredited law school. If it's to get into a totally new field -- it's a bad idea.

If only 30% of students get employment as attorneys you need to be in the top 30% of the class. Given your posts, you are not headed to the top 30% of the class.

grades?? wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

Well looks like we found the new Cooley admissions account.

Honestly OP the advice isn't wrong. Drop out is the answer here. Go research your actual employment possibilities from Cooley and look how much you are paying for something that will at least 50%, if not more, not lead to a legal job (and if it does, it will be in the 40k range max). I hope you figure this out OP but drop out is the answer.

According to Law School Transparency, only 27% of grads find employment in long term, bar passage required jobs. That is literally horrifying. So you have 1/4 a chance of actually being a lawyer from Cooley. This place should be shut down.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2015/

Oh wow, thank you for the link! I appreciate it. And thank you for your transparency, in your answer

sweets91 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

Attorney Mav wrote: How rude. I am tired of reading pessimistic comments from people in this forum. Not everyone gets in to a top 50 school or whatever. and not everyone is looking to work big law. Some just love the law and want to pursue a gratifying career in law. Last time I checked Cooley had a 66 percent employment rate not 0 percent. So clearly it is not a waste! You should be ashamed of yourself advising someone to drop out. Anyways Arianna, just keep pushing and do everything in your power to make it easier on yourself in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't associate complete burnout with someone who loves the law (granted, the OP's burnout is more associated with trying to do too much in addition to law school, but that doesn't change the fact that they go to a shitty school). And I wouldn't associate Cooley with a gratifying career in the law.

But most importantly, you're either being willfully ignorant or flat-out lying about Cooley's employment numbers. Less than a third of their graduates end up employed as lawyers within 9 months of leaving school. Even if you were stupid/generous enough to include JD Advantage jobs, less than half of graduates are in those positions.

If you "love the law" and want a "gratifying career in the law", then you owe it to yourself to go somewhere that isn't a scam. And while not everyone can get into a T50 school, not everyone should be going to law school, period. If you can only get in to schools like Cooley, you likely belong in the latter group.

There are people who went to Cooley who passed the bar, and there are people who went to a top 50 school that have not. That alone should tell you it is not a scam. A degree from any accredited law school is clearly not a scam, obviously because they are accredited. Even if your statistic are right, there is still almost a third of graduates who successfully found a career correct? Who's to say she won't be one of them? And how do you know she doesn't have a job waiting for her through her own networking connections? People come to this forum for help and support, and there's analytical cynical members trying to advise other members to drop out... that isn't right. She didn't ask all that, all she's asking is for advice on burning out. I personally support anyone grinding to turn their dreams into goals.

...so how long have you worked at Cooley?


OP - Reevaluate whether it's financially wise for you to continue down this path. A degree from Cooley is not worth much no matter where you place in the class (and considering you are already burnt out, I'm going to assume you're not doing too well), and it is not worth the mental/physical strain you seem to be under.

Hi there! I don't have a 4.0 if that's what you mean. I have a mere 3.2, so not AMAZING, but decent. It has been stressful (the commute alone is crazy city.) but again, your advice and wisdom are appreciated.