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No, I think it's less the school and more the type of people you're hanging around with. Protip: avoid sociopath gunners.

I think you should probably tone down the competitiveness yourself there, OP

I see nothing wrong with being competitive, as long as you don't go out of your way to screw someone over. In fact, if you wanna be a lawyer, you prob should be competitive.

mootness wrote: I would consider not giving out my notes

lol

lol seriously, why should I? I mean if someone's sick or busy a few times, then sure i'll help. but if it's a pattern where they don't attend class and rely on others to supply them, then i'm not helping sorry!

Nah, jealously guarding notes to maintain your perceived competitive advantage is pretty sucky and lolworthy behavior IMO

Eta: I mean yeah of course I wouldn't work as a professional note taking service for free either. I don't think anyone would.

lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

I thought about this stuff during 1L a decent amount. But how you end up doing relative to everyone else seems to be so random that there is no point in hurting relationships you might have developed with others to protect some perceived advantage. Just trust yourself and chill, giving someone else your notes isn't going to hurt you, particularly if they aren't even going to class.

yeah i know. i just want to clarify what i meant when i said, "i would consider not doing something (i.e. giving out notes)". this just means that there are circumstances under which i would say no, not that i would always or usually say no.

mootness wrote:lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

We read it, and we understood it. You would consider not giving out notes in an effort to compete (fairly). Message received loud and clear there gunner. And all I'm saying is that's too gunnery. Glass houses, etc.

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

We read it, and we understood it. You would consider not giving out notes in an effort to compete (fairly). Message received loud and clear there gunner. And all I'm saying is that's too gunnery. Glass houses, etc.

nope, sweetie, never said anything about withholding notes for the purpose of competing.

mootness wrote:

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

We read it, and we understood it. You would consider not giving out notes in an effort to compete (fairly). Message received loud and clear there gunner. And all I'm saying is that's too gunnery. Glass houses, etc.

nope, sweetie, never said anything about withholding notes for the purpose of competing.

I mean, yeah, you did. Unless the not giving out notes thing was a total non-sequitur. But that would be weird.

This thread has significant gem potential, keep up the good work.

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

We read it, and we understood it. You would consider not giving out notes in an effort to compete (fairly). Message received loud and clear there gunner. And all I'm saying is that's too gunnery. Glass houses, etc.

nope, sweetie, never said anything about withholding notes for the purpose of competing.

I mean, yeah, you did. Unless the not giving out notes thing was a total non-sequitur. But that would be weird.

Did you miss this post where I said, "I mean if someone's sick or busy a few times, then sure i'll help. but if it's a pattern where they don't attend class and rely on others to supply them, then i'm not helping sorry!"?

Any reasonable person would interpret the above as not wanting to enable irresponsibility and laziness.

ymmv wrote:This thread has significant gem potential, keep up the good work.

BigZuck is basically looking for any way to pick a argument. His life must be interesting.

OP just keep a fake set of notes with errors at all times to give out to slackers who selfishly try to mooch off of you

mootness wrote:

ymmv wrote:This thread has significant gem potential, keep up the good work.

BigZuck is basically looking for any way to pick a argument. His life must be interesting.

Lol. You did bring up notes directly after talking about competing fairly.

Companion Cube wrote:OP just keep a fake set of notes with errors at all times to give out to slackers who selfishly try to mooch off of you

Lmao that's exactly what I wouldn't do. I'd want to give someone my best notes possible so they don't come blame me if I made a mistake.

mootness wrote:

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

We read it, and we understood it. You would consider not giving out notes in an effort to compete (fairly). Message received loud and clear there gunner. And all I'm saying is that's too gunnery. Glass houses, etc.

nope, sweetie, never said anything about withholding notes for the purpose of competing.

I mean, yeah, you did. Unless the not giving out notes thing was a total non-sequitur. But that would be weird.

Did you miss this post where I said, "I mean if someone's sick or busy a few times, then sure i'll help. but if it's a pattern where they don't attend class and rely on others to supply them, then i'm not helping sorry!"?

Any reasonable person would interpret the above as not wanting to enable irresponsibility and laziness.

Trying to protect classmates from their own irresponsible and lazy nature is weirdly paternalistic.

Law school is basically a three year extended vacation punctuated by a few weeks of work here and there. Let them cook.

I'm not trying to pick an E-fight, I'm telling you to remove the beam from your own eye broham

A. Nony Mouse wrote:

mootness wrote:

ymmv wrote:This thread has significant gem potential, keep up the good work.

BigZuck is basically looking for any way to pick a argument. His life must be interesting.

Lol. You did bring up notes directly after talking about competing fairly.

Because i wanted to talk about the people who were sending out bad notes deliberately.

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:

BigZuck wrote:

mootness wrote:lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

We read it, and we understood it. You would consider not giving out notes in an effort to compete (fairly). Message received loud and clear there gunner. And all I'm saying is that's too gunnery. Glass houses, etc.

nope, sweetie, never said anything about withholding notes for the purpose of competing.

I mean, yeah, you did. Unless the not giving out notes thing was a total non-sequitur. But that would be weird.

Did you miss this post where I said, "I mean if someone's sick or busy a few times, then sure i'll help. but if it's a pattern where they don't attend class and rely on others to supply them, then i'm not helping sorry!"?

Any reasonable person would interpret the above as not wanting to enable irresponsibility and laziness.

Trying to protect classmates from their own irresponsible and lazy nature is weirdly paternalistic.

Law school is basically a three year extended vacation punctuated by a few weeks of work here and there. Let them cook.

I'm not trying to pick an E-fight, I'm telling you to remove the beam from your own eye broham

IDK, where you go this idea that I want to "protect" others. Not wanting to enable =/= protect. Protect is where I sit them down over coffee and give a life lecture, and receive disdain and contempt for my efforts. Enable is where I don't help them.

mootness wrote:
IDK, where you go this idea that I want to "protect" others. Not wanting to enable =/= protect. Protect is where I sit them down over coffee and give a life lecture, and receive disdain and contempt for my efforts. Enable is where I don't help them.

Annnddd, jumped the shark?

I'll give you guys an analogy: if I wanted to protect an alcoholic from their self-inflicted harm, I'd force them to go to a rehabilitation center or join AA. If I didn't want to enable, I wouldn't supply them alcohol.

mootness wrote:I'll give you guys an analogy: if I wanted to protect an alcoholic from their self-inflicted harm, I'd force them to go to a rehabilitation center or join AA. If I didn't want to enable, I wouldn't supply them alcohol.

If your classmates are alcoholics there's a hotline for that