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Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:41 pm
by cach22
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Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:48 pm
by Mredav44
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Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:54 pm
by shock259
Tons. Very little correlation, if any, between UGPA and law school grades. Personally, I didn't take undergrad seriously at all until senior year. Took law school very seriously. Did very well.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:35 am
by Micdiddy
Did you try your hardest in UG? If so and you still didn't do well, probably won't change in law school. But if you're like most everybody and didn't try at all then yeah no real correlation, you might kill it in law school or you may suck. But definitely try in law school.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:45 am
by Holly Golightly
Do people actually try in UG?

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:51 am
by 03152016
Holly Golightly wrote:Do people actually try in UG?

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:58 am
by Chrstgtr
Obviously possible.

The real question is whether it is worth it to take on the risk of assuming additional debt by attending the law school you will be able to get into with your UGPA. It is likely to be an awfully large cost for poor career prospects.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:02 am
by Clearly
Chrstgtr wrote:Obviously possible.

The real question is whether it is worth it to take on the risk of assuming additional debt by attending the law school you will be able to get into with your UGPA. It is likely to be an awfully large cost for poor career prospects.
...kind of making some assumptions here

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:22 am
by Chrstgtr
Clearly wrote:
Chrstgtr wrote:Obviously possible.

The real question is whether it is worth it to take on the risk of assuming additional debt by attending the law school you will be able to get into with your UGPA. It is likely to be an awfully large cost for poor career prospects.
...kind of making some assumptions here
Screwing up undergrad=poor UGPA
poor UGPA=limited and/or costly options for LS
limited and/or costly options for LS=poor job prospects and/or heavy debt

Many people here would warn against going to a LS with poor job prospects and/or heavy debt.

Obviously OP's definition of "not doing so hot" could mean he/she walked out of undergrad with a 3.7 instead of the 3.9 that he/she was capable of and the OP could be going to a T14 with considerable money. But in the universal definition of "not doing so hot," OP would probably be wise to think about the decision to go.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:36 am
by lawhopeful10
3.4 GPA in college because I was lazy and going out a lot. 3.9 at a T1 regional my 1L year. Law exams are their own skill set and being good at them doesn't mean you had to do well in undergrad.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:53 pm
by cach22
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Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:54 pm
by 09042014
There is a sub 3.0 UG splitter clerking for SCOTUS right now.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:57 pm
by ScottRiqui
cach22 wrote: I'm starting LS (T20 for what it's worth) next month. I didn't do so well in UG for a bunch of reasons. Went to a prestigious university out of state; it took me a while to adjust to university's culture; I had trouble figuring out how make up for the ground lost during a lackluster secondary education while striking a proper social/academic balance.

Considerings its 3 weeks left before 1L starts, I was looking for some insight from others who may have also had bittersweet memories of undergrad yet managed to/are managing to do well (top 1/3 - top 10%) in LS.

Cheers.
I'm starting 1L next month also, so I'll let you know in a year. I've got high hopes, though - UG was 25 years ago, and at the time, I kind of took a "pass/fail" attitude toward all of my courses (with predictable GPA results). I did worlds better in my master's degree five years ago, though, and TLS has scared me enough that I know how important LS grades are.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:58 pm
by 09042014
ScottRiqui wrote:
cach22 wrote: I'm starting LS (T20 for what it's worth) next month. I didn't do so well in UG for a bunch of reasons. Went to a prestigious university out of state; it took me a while to adjust to university's culture; I had trouble figuring out how make up for the ground lost during a lackluster secondary education while striking a proper social/academic balance.

Considerings its 3 weeks left before 1L starts, I was looking for some insight from others who may have also had bittersweet memories of undergrad yet managed to/are managing to do well (top 1/3 - top 10%) in LS.

Cheers.
I'm starting 1L next month also, so I'll let you know in a year. I've got high hopes, though - UG was 25 years ago, and at the time, I kind of took a "pass/fail" attitude toward all of my courses (with predictable GPA results). I did worlds better in my master's degree five years ago, though, and TLS has scared me enough that I know how important LS grades are.
Just trying hard is no guarantee in law school.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:03 pm
by ScottRiqui
Desert Fox wrote:
ScottRiqui wrote:
cach22 wrote: I'm starting LS (T20 for what it's worth) next month. I didn't do so well in UG for a bunch of reasons. Went to a prestigious university out of state; it took me a while to adjust to university's culture; I had trouble figuring out how make up for the ground lost during a lackluster secondary education while striking a proper social/academic balance.

Considerings its 3 weeks left before 1L starts, I was looking for some insight from others who may have also had bittersweet memories of undergrad yet managed to/are managing to do well (top 1/3 - top 10%) in LS.

Cheers.
I'm starting 1L next month also, so I'll let you know in a year. I've got high hopes, though - UG was 25 years ago, and at the time, I kind of took a "pass/fail" attitude toward all of my courses (with predictable GPA results). I did worlds better in my master's degree five years ago, though, and TLS has scared me enough that I know how important LS grades are.
Just trying hard is no guarantee in law school.
I know, but the stakes aren't quite the same for me, either, so it's a pretty good risk. I'm just saying that I'm not viewing my early-90s UG experience as a death knell for my LS career.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:19 pm
by First Offense
I have a higher GPA in law school than I ever had in UG. I didn't take UG very seriously at all.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:54 pm
by Pokemon
cach22 wrote:Does anybody have any examples (either from their own experiences, or those of others) of law students that didn't do so hot in undergrad turning it around in law school and crushing it?

- bored/anxious about starting LS, and figuring out how to turn it around myself - although undergrad is 3 years behind

thanks for you input


Stronger correlation that the higher your GPA in undergrad, the lower in your law school.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:22 am
by florida1949
3.3 UG, top 20% at CCN.

HTH

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:27 am
by Nova
happens all the time

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:30 am
by 06102016
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Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:58 am
by mw115
Magna cum laude from Texas Law; 6 F's at Texas UG.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:56 am
by uno, dos, tres
i was a fucking irresponsible asshole in HS ----> college ( i went to a fourth tier whatever)----> layabout----> graduated magna from CCN. you have to have a) Underlying ability & b) Drive, tho

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:46 am
by Micdiddy
slackademic wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:There is a sub 3.0 UG splitter clerking for SCOTUS right now.
Give details.

Or not, if it's outing the person.
I'm guessing the one from NU.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:40 am
by NotMyRealName09
2.86 UG, 3.67 law school, magna cum laude, law review, and employed. So it totally happens.

Re: Any cases of turning it around - UG --> LS

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:30 pm
by schweitziro
Wholly anecdotal thread. But it can happen.

2.5 ugpa (2.03 lsac). 3.7+ at t2 lawl school (top 5%).