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Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:38 pm
by 1suckout
I'm doing a paid in-house gig over summer for a bigger company. For my 3rd assignment, an older, grizzly looking attorney handed me a partially organized, 100+ page portion of a contract that he had written on his own. Fine, I like contracts. The issue is that he wants me doing a lot of copying and pasting (modification), and formatting has become a big issue due to the fact that Microsoft Word will auto-format pasted text (even with proper settings applied). Ultimately these formatting issues have turned into a nightmare--and the attorney in charge is treating the issue as though I should be a formatting expert, or should have dumped the job on a legal assistant (remember, this is over 100 pages and a relatively lengthy project involving about 2 dozen modifications). The legal assistant I work with told me she could do some of it but when we looked at the formatting issues together she agreed that the copy/paste screw-ups were unusual and not a quick fix. The attorney in charge keeps telling me he could have had the job done in 2 hours and that I'm wasting his time, etc, etc, general douche-like behavior... he says "can we make this phone call more efficient, I thought you would have had this project done a long time ago"....it's as if he thinks major modifications to his contract can be correctly applied and formatted within a couple hours. I'm just wondering whether I'm right to think this person is acting a little out of line here, and how much longer I should serve as a punching bag before I complain about him.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:42 pm
by FSK
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Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:43 pm
by LeDique
1suckout wrote:I'm doing a paid in-house gig over summer for a bigger company. For my 3rd assignment, an older, grizzly looking attorney handed me a partially organized, 100+ page portion of a contract that he had written on his own. Fine, I like contracts. The issue is that he wants me doing a lot of copying and pasting (modification), and formatting has become a big issue due to the fact that Microsoft Word will auto-format pasted text (even with proper settings applied). Ultimately these formatting issues have turned into a nightmare--and the attorney in charge is treating the issue as though I should be a formatting expert, or should have dumped the job on a legal assistant (remember, this is over 100 pages and a relatively lengthy project involving about 2 dozen modifications). The legal assistant I work with told me she could do some of it but when we looked at the formatting issues together she agreed that the copy/paste screw-ups were unusual and not a quick fix. The attorney in charge keeps telling me he could have had the job done in 2 hours and that I'm wasting his time, etc, etc, general douche-like behavior... he says "can we make this phone call more efficient, I thought you would have had this project done a long time ago"....it's as if he thinks major modifications to his contract can be correctly applied and formatted within a couple hours. Guy went to a third tier school but I'm trying not to let that bias my judgment. I'm just wondering whether I'm right to think this person is acting a little out of line here, and how much longer I should serve as a punching bag before I complain about him.
lol there's so much here that's great. Maybe you should learn about paste special or how to use Word? And just fucking lol at "Guy went to a third tier school but I'm trying not to let that bias my judgment." To answer your last question—how much longer I should serve as a punching bag before I complain about him—your entire career.
Wait this is in house with no chance of leading to an offer? Sure go ahead and complain, but its not really going to end well
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:45 pm
by rayiner
So you messed up a simple task because you can't figure out MS Word, a program tons of non-college grads use proficiently, and are talking shit about where this guy went to school?
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:48 pm
by nygrrrl
All of the above.
Suck it up and get it done.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:48 pm
by MoneyMay
lol
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:52 pm
by 1suckout
LeDique wrote:1suckout wrote:I'm doing a paid in-house gig over summer for a bigger company. For my 3rd assignment, an older, grizzly looking attorney handed me a partially organized, 100+ page portion of a contract that he had written on his own. Fine, I like contracts. The issue is that he wants me doing a lot of copying and pasting (modification), and formatting has become a big issue due to the fact that Microsoft Word will auto-format pasted text (even with proper settings applied). Ultimately these formatting issues have turned into a nightmare--and the attorney in charge is treating the issue as though I should be a formatting expert, or should have dumped the job on a legal assistant (remember, this is over 100 pages and a relatively lengthy project involving about 2 dozen modifications). The legal assistant I work with told me she could do some of it but when we looked at the formatting issues together she agreed that the copy/paste screw-ups were unusual and not a quick fix. The attorney in charge keeps telling me he could have had the job done in 2 hours and that I'm wasting his time, etc, etc, general douche-like behavior... he says "can we make this phone call more efficient, I thought you would have had this project done a long time ago"....it's as if he thinks major modifications to his contract can be correctly applied and formatted within a couple hours. Guy went to a third tier school but I'm trying not to let that bias my judgment. I'm just wondering whether I'm right to think this person is acting a little out of line here, and how much longer I should serve as a punching bag before I complain about him.
lol there's so much here that's great. Maybe you should learn about paste special or how to use Word? And just fucking lol at "Guy went to a third tier school but I'm trying not to let that bias my judgment." To answer your last question—how much longer I should serve as a punching bag before I complain about him—your entire career.
Wait this is in house with no chance of leading to an offer? Sure go ahead and complain, but its not really going to end well
I guess I'm just not an expert in Word.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:57 pm
by phillywc
1suckout wrote:
I guess I'm just not an expert in Word.
Word is pretty easy, but maybe if you had asked for help instead of being a douchebag, people would have helped you.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:59 pm
by 1suckout
rayiner wrote:So you messed up a simple task because you can't figure out MS Word, a program tons of non-college grads use proficiently, and are talking shit about where this guy went to school?
To be more clear, I just think it's unfair to expect a law student to be an expert (not just proficient) in MS Word. I also think it's unfair to expect a law student to dump his job on a legal assistant and force her to do 3 hours of unexpected work.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:03 pm
by misterjames
i audibly laughed at how ridiculous this post was. the unnecessarily vindictive description, the comment about his school's rank. just wow. 10/10
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:06 pm
by LeDique
phillywc wrote:1suckout wrote:
I guess I'm just not an expert in Word.
Word is pretty easy, but maybe if you had asked for help instead of being a douchebag, people would have helped you.
I think this is what you're missing. It's less about you not knowing how to use Word and more about your reaction.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:07 pm
by johnnyquest
How fair is it to call out a dude for going to a TTT?
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:07 pm
by 1suckout
misterjames wrote:i audibly laughed at how ridiculous this post was. the unnecessarily vindictive description, the comment about his school's rank. just wow. 10/10
well clearly I'm doing it for revenge...it sucks being a punching bag.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:08 pm
by nothingtosee
Have you highlighted the text and clicked the eraser icon?
When you paste, do you write click and then see like five icons? One of those will do no formatting.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:08 pm
by BVest
This is why WordPerfect was, is, and always will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS Word.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:09 pm
by johnnyquest
1suckout wrote:misterjames wrote:i audibly laughed at how ridiculous this post was. the unnecessarily vindictive description, the comment about his school's rank. just wow. 10/10
well clearly I'm doing it for revenge...it sucks being a punching bag.
Ahhh...sweet revenge! That'll show him!
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:11 pm
by sublime
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Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:11 pm
by NYSprague
Can't you just go back to the previous version and start over. It is often faster than trying to fix a formatting mess. Just explain you had unexpected issues and your sorry and then ask HR for Word training.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:11 pm
by 1suckout
johnnyquest wrote:How fair is it to call out a dude for going to a TTT?
About 10% fair but when you've just been embarrassed and yelled at, you look for ways to make someone else look bad (and then you get embarrassed more on TLS).
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:13 pm
by rayiner
1suckout wrote:rayiner wrote:So you messed up a simple task because you can't figure out MS Word, a program tons of non-college grads use proficiently, and are talking shit about where this guy went to school?
To be more clear, I just think it's unfair to expect a law student to be an expert (not just proficient) in MS Word. I also think it's unfair to expect a law student to dump his job on a legal assistant and force her to do 3 hours of unexpected work.
Being an expert in Word means knowing how to use hotkeys and macros and whatnot. Not ducking up formatting when moving things around is something you should've picked up somewhere during high school or college. Or you could've done a quick Google search before you fucked up the formatting of the entire document.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:13 pm
by NYSprague
1suckout wrote:johnnyquest wrote:How fair is it to call out a dude for going to a TTT?
About 10% fair but when you've just been embarrassed and yelled at, you look for ways to make someone else look bad (and then you get embarrassed more on TLS).
Don't be embarrassed, just come up with a solution and tell him how you will solve the problem as soon as possible.
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:16 pm
by chipotle123
nothingtosee wrote:Have you highlighted the text and clicked the eraser icon?
When you paste, do you write click and then see like five icons? One of those will do no formatting.
1) This is a highly entertaining thread, I thank you for sharing OP
2) nothingtosee, Awesome avatar. I'll never forget that face, ever. Both LSAC and NASBA (National Association of State Boards of Accountatncy) use the same stock photo
http://nasba.org/exams/cpaexam/
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:17 pm
by DELG
Word can be legitimately hard to work with
But guess what law is full of fucking fucks
Complain and you will be disappointed in the outcome
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:19 pm
by bizzike
rayiner wrote:1suckout wrote:rayiner wrote:So you messed up a simple task because you can't figure out MS Word, a program tons of non-college grads use proficiently, and are talking shit about where this guy went to school?
To be more clear, I just think it's unfair to expect a law student to be an expert (not just proficient) in MS Word. I also think it's unfair to expect a law student to dump his job on a legal assistant and force her to do 3 hours of unexpected work.
Being an expert in Word means knowing how to use hotkeys and macros and whatnot. Not ducking up formatting when moving things around is something you should've picked up somewhere during high school or college. Or you could've done a quick Google search before you fucked up the formatting of the entire document.
Legitimately 5 minutes of Google search would have solved your problem. But, I guess being a proud idiot is more prestigious
Re: Am I right to be upset or is my superior right?
Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:19 pm
by kaiser
Welcome to the real world. People are going to make demands they think are simple, yet they may miss the complexity or the problems. But you can't complain or try and explain yourself. You can talk to the guy generally about what the hold up is, but the bottom line is just find a way to get it done. A partner was honest with me, and said they expect the young associates to be like wizards with technology, working magic with ease, whether or not that assumption is correct, or however unfair that may be when the task is complex. But thats the way it is
Best not to bitch and moan, and just get it done however you can