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Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:34 pm
by busabour12
Thanks for the input and for showing mercy.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:35 pm
by Mal Reynolds
This should be good.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:36 pm
by Mal Reynolds
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Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:38 pm
by busabour12
Mal Reynolds wrote:This should be good.
And I deserve it. This is not something I could discuss in real life. I would be happy if there were one or two useful suggestions in the onslaught that is going to happen.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:38 pm
by Bikeflip
Mal Reynolds wrote:busabour12 wrote: ETA: Mercy Edit.
QFP too
Bro he said don't quote him.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:38 pm
by howell
What do you mean by "collaborated with a classmate"? Tell us more about that.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:39 pm
by Mal Reynolds
I didn't see that. I took it down.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:40 pm
by A. Nony Mouse
Bikeflip wrote:Mal Reynolds wrote:
QFP too
Bro he said don't quote him.
Sarcasm or irony?
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:41 pm
by howell
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Bikeflip wrote:Mal Reynolds wrote:
QFP too
Bro he said don't quote him.
(quotes him)
Sarcasm or irony?

Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:45 pm
by hichvichwoh
I'd imagine the punishment would be pretty bad whether you came forward yourself or you get caught.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:45 pm
by Bikeflip
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Bikeflip wrote:Mal Reynolds wrote:
QFP too
Bro he said don't quote him.
Sarcasm or irony?
Would it have helped if I had put the whole OP in huge font? And maybe a red font?
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:46 pm
by spleenworship
How did you decide it would be a good idea to collaborate on a take home? Are you claiming to be stupid, or just having buyers remorse?
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:47 pm
by A. Nony Mouse
Bikeflip wrote:A. Nony Mouse wrote:Bikeflip wrote:Mal Reynolds wrote:
QFP too
Bro he said don't quote him.
Sarcasm or irony?
Would it have helped if I had put the whole OP in huge font? And maybe a red font?
Probably not - I am a little slow.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:47 pm
by kalvano
Bikeflip wrote:A. Nony Mouse wrote:Bikeflip wrote:Mal Reynolds wrote:
QFP too
Bro he said don't quote him.
Sarcasm or irony?
Would it help you if I had put the whole OP in huge font? And maybe red font?
Pointing out that your quoting of Mal's quoting quoted the not to be quoted part.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:55 pm
by NotMyRealName09
Ooof. Confess and though you'll still burn, you'll go to heaven once you're dead. Best outcome if you confess? Generally, a failing grade (goodbye good job that ever wants a transcript), a big red note in your law school file about academic dishonesty, having to mention it on C&F - probably red flagged once you try and get admitted, at the least you'll get called in for an investigation by C&F. And honestly, cheating on an exam, I don't see how you don't get expelled, but maybe you get credit for confessing. Also, you're a rat now, because you're going to rat out your friend. Cheating is bad.
Worst outcome with silence? Expulsion, plus everything else listed above, and probably denied admission to the bar for a number of years at least, maybe forever. Not sure about that last part, but you are in a world of trouble.
You need to assess why you did it, and assess yourself. I have doubts about your integrity, you probably shouldn't be allowed to be a lawyer. This wasn't even ambiguous, it was flat, knowing cheating by you both. The right thing to do is confess, but if you're not going to confess, perhaps you should stop discussing it on a public forum that (probably) logs IP addresses. Also, this has to be a flame, who confesses cheating on the internet?
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:14 pm
by Bikeflip
K. I mercy edited. I was trying to be a prick, but I can't imagine that is helpful to anyone.
OP, you're in hot water, and hardly anyone here can do anything for you in terms of making things better. The best we can do is predict how bad it will be. On that note, I suggest reading these links about how various state bars view academic misconduct:
STUDENT ACADEMIC MISCONDUCT: LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS From Univ of Illinois.
UNRAVELING THE MYSTERY OF THE CHARACTER AND FITNESS PROCESS From Michigan
Making the Mark -- Character and Fitness for Admission to the Bar From Georgia
YMMV by state.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:26 pm
by A. Nony Mouse
Honestly, I had no particular objection to you being a dick, I was just confused; I'd thought you were joking and then Mal seemed to take you seriously so I wasn't sure if you quoted on purpose after all. Hence being slow.

Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:33 pm
by Bikeflip
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Honestly, I had no particular objection to you being a dick, I was just confused; I'd thought you were joking and then Mal seemed to take you seriously so I wasn't sure if you quoted on purpose after all. Hence being slow.

C&F shit sucks and is scary. I've been there, so I had some sympathy, even if OP's case isn't sympathetic.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 5:53 pm
by victortsoi
Wait, what happened?
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 11:46 pm
by S. Goodman
Turn yourself in.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 1:28 am
by dsamuels
Damn......turn yourself in bro....or pray to god you don't get caught....at the end of the day your probably gonna have to......turn up either way.
Re: Academic dishonesty
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 10:37 am
by MinEMorris
I can only glean what happened hear from other poster's responses, but I figured I'd still chime in and say a couple of things.
First, if you do confess--which I think is your best option from both a moral and a self-interest standpoint--you should consult with your friend first and give him/her an opportunity to confess with you. If you both confess, you'll probably get similar treatment. If one of you confesses, the one that didn't originally confess is probably going to get screwed much harder. On that note, it's probably in your interest to have some sort of record (e.g. a text message) of the fact that you reached out to your friend to talk about confessing in case your friend freaks out and decides to run to the administration before you get a chance to go in together. People do wild things when they feel cornered.
Second, I just want to say that I feel bad for you. I've been in (personal life) situations before where I did something really shitty but had a low enough probability of being caught that I was put to the same to-confess-or-not decision as you're in right now. It's a really unique sort of pain, and one that you will get little-to-no sympathy for because you're the instigator. FWIW, I came forward each time. Looking back, coming forward was always the right decision, but thinking back on those situations still makes me shiver. Now I stay very very far away from those sorts of situations, as I imagine you will from now on too.
Best of luck man. As Churchill said, if you're going through hell, keep going...