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CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:04 pm
by jtx86
So, I am thinking of having my cali certificate framed. I plan on practicing labor and employment law and the award is related to that field. Thoughts? Has anyone noticed if other people do this? Or should CALI awards just go in a line on your resume?
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:07 pm
by ph14
jtx86 wrote:So, I am thinking of having my cali certificate framed. I plan on practicing labor and employment law and the award is related to that field. Thoughts? Has anyone noticed if other people do this? Or should CALI awards just go in a line on your resume?
Don't frame it and hang it up. Putting it on your resume sounds fine.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:21 pm
by schweitziro
You get an actual certificate? I've gotten a bunch of these and have never seen anything physically related.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:25 pm
by ggocat
You see clients at least once per month? You represent employees or small businesses? Do it. (Personally, mine are in a box in a closet. As far as I can recall, they look like they were printed at home with a word template.)
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:56 pm
by heavoldgotjuice
I wouldn't do it. Nobody that is not a lawyer knows what they are. Most lawyers do not know what they are. Might as well hang em on mom's fridge.
Not trying to be a dick. but seriously.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:46 pm
by 09042014
Going to a school that is shitty enough to award CALI awards is embarrassing.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:14 am
by jtx86
ggocat wrote:You see clients at least once per month? You represent employees or small businesses? Do it. (Personally, mine are in a box in a closet. As far as I can recall, they look like they were printed at home with a word template.)
That's basically why I'm contemplating putting it up. I'm hoping a client will see it and maybe we could strike up a conversation about it. I don't see why it would hurt to put it up.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:41 am
by bearsfan23
LOL at thinking at client would care about a CALI award (I had to read up to even find what this is)
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:47 am
by Mal Reynolds
What's a cali award.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:51 am
by It's A Lion
What does California have to do with employment law?
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:11 am
by 2807
A marketing gimmick from the "Computer Assisted Learning Institute" ?
As your perspective grows, so will your discretion.
For resume: Just indicate top grades. Good for you.
Do not perpetuate the marketing nonsense.
It shows naiveté.
The first rule of CALI, never talk about CALI.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:12 am
by jtx86
I don't think it's THAT far-fetched for a client to be sitting in your office and notice an award that says "for excellent achievement in the study of Worker's Rights." Obviously, a client will not know what a cali award is (apparently, even some law students don't know what one is), but the way the certificate is presented, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:14 am
by 2807
jtx86 wrote:I don't think it's THAT far-fetched for a client to be sitting in your office and notice an award that says "for excellent achievement in the study of Worker's Rights." Obviously, a client will not know what a cali award is (apparently, even some law students don't know what one is), but the way the certificate is presented, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
The award is secondary to who actually awards it to you.
If your mom gives you the Medal of Valor it is just not the same.
Sure, you can frame it and try to fool people.
But at some point, you may have to explain who its from.
Then you look like a fool.
Also, classes are graded on a curve. Top grades can easily be given to the kid who failed the best.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:21 am
by jtx86
2807 wrote:jtx86 wrote:I don't think it's THAT far-fetched for a client to be sitting in your office and notice an award that says "for excellent achievement in the study of Worker's Rights." Obviously, a client will not know what a cali award is (apparently, even some law students don't know what one is), but the way the certificate is presented, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
The award is secondary to who actually awards it to you.
If your mom gives you the Medal of Valor it is just not the same.
Sure, you can frame it and try to fool people.
But at some point, you may have to explain who its from.
Then you look like a fool.
I'm not sure I follow. I am not trying to fool anyone. I have seen other professionals (doctors, architects) with awards that they received while in school framed on their wall. I figured if someone receives a CALI award in a field where they intend to practice in, it might be a good idea to frame it. If anything, it will be a conversation piece.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:26 am
by Cicero76
Mal Reynolds wrote:What's a cali award.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:33 am
by 2807
jtx86 wrote:2807 wrote:jtx86 wrote:I don't think it's THAT far-fetched for a client to be sitting in your office and notice an award that says "for excellent achievement in the study of Worker's Rights." Obviously, a client will not know what a cali award is (apparently, even some law students don't know what one is), but the way the certificate is presented, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
The award is secondary to who actually awards it to you.
If your mom gives you the Medal of Valor it is just not the same.
Sure, you can frame it and try to fool people.
But at some point, you may have to explain who its from.
Then you look like a fool.
I'm not sure I follow. I am not trying to fool anyone. I have seen other professionals (doctors, architects) with awards that they received while in school framed on their wall. I figured if someone receives a CALI award in a field where they intend to practice in, it might be a good idea to frame it. If anything, it will be a conversation piece.
The
grantor of the award is the paramount consideration.
Who granted these doctors and architects the awards?
All else is commentary.
If you find value in the "Computer Assisted Learning Center" then you should frame it and tell people about it.
If that doctor framed an award from Dr. Pepper, he would look like a fool too.
And, remember, that award goes to a law student. That student-genius should step out into the real world of that field of law and talk to his worthy "peers" and he will quickly see how he knows NOTHING and his award is applesauce.
ok, edit** : I applaud the top grade and hard work. I really do. And put that on a resume for sure. But the "CALI" award is silly.
Too bad the school itself does not recognize the effort, that would be more credible.
Anyway, that's my .02
the end.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:39 am
by jtx86
2807 wrote:jtx86 wrote:2807 wrote:jtx86 wrote:I don't think it's THAT far-fetched for a client to be sitting in your office and notice an award that says "for excellent achievement in the study of Worker's Rights." Obviously, a client will not know what a cali award is (apparently, even some law students don't know what one is), but the way the certificate is presented, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
The award is secondary to who actually awards it to you.
If your mom gives you the Medal of Valor it is just not the same.
Sure, you can frame it and try to fool people.
But at some point, you may have to explain who its from.
Then you look like a fool.
I'm not sure I follow. I am not trying to fool anyone. I have seen other professionals (doctors, architects) with awards that they received while in school framed on their wall. I figured if someone receives a CALI award in a field where they intend to practice in, it might be a good idea to frame it. If anything, it will be a conversation piece.
The
grantor of the award is the paramount consideration.
Who granted these doctors and architects the awards?
All else is commentary.
If you find value in the "Computer Assisted Learning Center" then you should frame it and tell people about it.
If that doctor framed an award from Dr. Pepper, he would look like a fool too.
And, remember, that award goes to a law student. That student-genius should step out into the real world of that field of law and talk to his worthy "peers" and he will quickly see how he knows NOTHING and his award is applesauce.
ok, edit** : I applaud the top grade and hard work. I really do. And put that on a resume for sure. But the "CALI" award is silly.
Too bad the school itself does not recognize the effort, that would be more credible.
Anyway, that's my .02
the end.
I see what you're saying. Here's my .02: I find ZERO value in "CALI." What I care about is what the CALI award represents. If and when I frame the award, it will be to represent to clients my personal devotion and commitment to a specific area of the law. Again, even though a client won't know what a CALI award is, they certainly can read "for excellent achievement in the study of Worker's Rights."
To briefly counter your argument: a top high school player from the U.S. or Canada is invited to the McDonald's All-American game. He is considered a McDonald's All-American. After the game, he is presented with a certificate from McDonald's recognizing his achievement. By your reasoning, because McDonald's is a fast-food chain, there is no value in a basketball award issued by them.
I guess I just don't understand why you're so hung up on WHO the grantor is rather than WHAT the award represents.
BTW: Although CALI gives out the award, its the professor that decides who the top student is.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:30 am
by 2807
You understand me just fine.
You just do not agree.
I can handle it buddy.
Good luck to you.
Go earn more CALI awards. I respect the effort.
Use that work ethic and effort to pass the bar, establish yourself in the real world, and earn valuable recognition from your peers, civic groups, government, and clients.
Those will adorn your walls with no explanation needed.
Looks like you are on your way. Keep it up.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:08 am
by NotMyRealName09
You wouldn't hang your transcript on your wall. All it is is something that says you got the highest A in your class. Big whoop. Other schools call them book awards, or jurisprudence awards. List it on your resume, but If I saw one in a peer's office I would think they were a douche. Be proud of it, tell your mom, she'll be proud and brag to her friends, but it's just another way of saying "I got an A!" On your wall. And if someone struck up a conversation about it, your response would amount to saying you did well in a class you liked. People don't do that - or at least, they don't put "Special Student Awards" on their wall. You asked, we told.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:54 am
by It's A Lion
OP personally meets with a lot of clients in his office. Seeing a bunch of framed certificates on the wall is apt to impress potential clients. No harm in doing it.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:01 pm
by jtx86
Thanks for the input everyone. I appreciate the discourse. I think I'll frame it.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:05 pm
by thesealocust
Desert Fox wrote:Going to a school that is shitty enough to award CALI awards is embarrassing.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:21 pm
by jrf12886
Do whatever you want. It's your award and your office.
Also, I don't think the grantor of an award is more important than the basis of the award. If Nickelodeon gave you an award for curing cancer, you still cured cancer.
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:44 pm
by thesealocust
jrf12886 wrote:Do whatever you want. It's your award and your office.
Also, I don't think the grantor of an award is more important than the basis of the award. If Nickelodeon gave you an award for curing cancer, you still cured cancer.
Spot the logical fallacy, go!
(hint: there is a nexus between the grantor of a CALI award and its perceived worth)
Re: CALI AWARD CERTIFICATE
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:58 pm
by Mal Reynolds
jrf12886 wrote:Do whatever you want. It's your award and your office.
Also, I don't think the grantor of an award is more important than the basis of the award. If Nickelodeon gave you an award for curing cancer, you still cured cancer.
Just lol