OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS) Forum

[SportsFan]

Can anyone help me with this con law PT I'm doing? Basically the hypo is that a town that is mostly white but has an African-American minority population is building a 2nd high school in a corner of the town where most of the african-americans live (the original high school is in the other corner of the town). The town decides to split the township in half, and send half to the new high school and half to the other. People are suing because they want the town to adopt plan 1, which basically sent people to whichever school was physically closest to them. I'm thinking the issues are affirmative action, intentional discrimination, and maybe substantive rights (Meyer and Pierce), but I'm a bit confused because Plan 2 (which was adopted) was liked by half the african americans and most whites, and Plan 1 (which was rejected) was liked by most african americans and most whites. Basically, it doesn't seem like any of the issues which seem immediately obvious are even viable here, and I have no idea how to even fill up the 1200 word limit other than with "they have no claims because the township picked a plan which doesn't discriminate". I can PM the hypo to anyone, if they wanna check it out and help me.

[Bronck]

Don't worry guys, this is what we'll be doing pretty soon

[SportsFan]

Can anyone help me with this con law PT I'm doing? Basically the hypo is that a town that is mostly white but has an African-American minority population is building a 2nd high school in a corner of the town where most of the african-americans live (the original high school is in the other corner of the town). The town decides to split the township in half, and send half to the new high school and half to the other. People are suing because they want the town to adopt plan 1, which basically sent people to whichever school was physically closest to them. I'm thinking the issues are affirmative action, intentional discrimination, and maybe substantive rights (Meyer and Pierce), but I'm a bit confused because Plan 2 (which was adopted) was liked by half the african americans and most whites, and Plan 1 (which was rejected) was liked by most african americans and most whites. Basically, it doesn't seem like any of the issues which seem immediately obvious are even viable here, and I have no idea how to even fill up the 1200 word limit other than with "they have no claims because the township picked a plan which doesn't discriminate". I can PM the hypo to anyone, if they wanna check it out and help me.

Or maybe I'm supposed to just analyze the entire hypo under the Parents Involved standard? Still, I feel like I have ~400 words at the most.

[soj]

i am KING

[Bronck]

i am KING

Just knocked out the brief or something?

[soj]

i am KING

Just knocked out the brief or something?

at literally the last minute

[stillwater]

i am KING

Just knocked out the brief or something?

at literally the last minute

Legal writing is the worst.

[Tiago Splitter]

Can anyone help me with this con law PT I'm doing? Basically the hypo is that a town that is mostly white but has an African-American minority population is building a 2nd high school in a corner of the town where most of the african-americans live (the original high school is in the other corner of the town). The town decides to split the township in half, and send half to the new high school and half to the other. People are suing because they want the town to adopt plan 1, which basically sent people to whichever school was physically closest to them. I'm thinking the issues are affirmative action, intentional discrimination, and maybe substantive rights (Meyer and Pierce), but I'm a bit confused because Plan 2 (which was adopted) was liked by half the african americans and most whites, and Plan 1 (which was rejected) was liked by most african americans and most whites. Basically, it doesn't seem like any of the issues which seem immediately obvious are even viable here, and I have no idea how to even fill up the 1200 word limit other than with "they have no claims because the township picked a plan which doesn't discriminate". I can PM the hypo to anyone, if they wanna check it out and help me.

Or maybe I'm supposed to just analyze the entire hypo under the Parents Involved standard? Still, I feel like I have ~400 words at the most.

I would discuss the remedies available if they were still under a judicial mandate to fix past unconstitutional segregation (more likely able to assign students based on race) versus if they never had that mandate or did but were ruled to have fixed the problem (need to exhaust race-neutral alternatives.)

[mephistopheles]

just fucking destroyed property.

[Jsa725]

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[stillwater]

just fucking destroyed property.

niiiice. hope i will follow in your footsteps, sans 100 page outline.

[mephistopheles]

just fucking destroyed property.

niiiice. hope i will follow in your footsteps, sans 100 page outline.

i used it for the entire exam. it was worth its weight in gold. i've never been able to work in as many legitimate case cites as i did here.

[laxbrah420]

Can anyone help me with this con law PT I'm doing? Basically the hypo is that a town that is mostly white but has an African-American minority population is building a 2nd high school in a corner of the town where most of the african-americans live (the original high school is in the other corner of the town). The town decides to split the township in half, and send half to the new high school and half to the other. People are suing because they want the town to adopt plan 1, which basically sent people to whichever school was physically closest to them. I'm thinking the issues are affirmative action, intentional discrimination, and maybe substantive rights (Meyer and Pierce), but I'm a bit confused because Plan 2 (which was adopted) was liked by half the african americans and most whites, and Plan 1 (which was rejected) was liked by most african americans and most whites. Basically, it doesn't seem like any of the issues which seem immediately obvious are even viable here, and I have no idea how to even fill up the 1200 word limit other than with "they have no claims because the township picked a plan which doesn't discriminate". I can PM the hypo to anyone, if they wanna check it out and help me.

Or maybe I'm supposed to just analyze the entire hypo under the Parents Involved standard? Still, I feel like I have ~400 words at the most.

I would discuss the remedies available if they were still under a judicial mandate to fix past unconstitutional segregation (more likely able to assign students based on race) versus if they never had that mandate or did but were ruled to have fixed the problem (need to exhaust race-neutral alternatives.)

Just say this fails Baker v. Carr, it's a political question, and therefore you shouldn't even address the rest.

[PennBull]

Don't worry guys, this is what we'll be doing pretty soon

Counting up money to pay student loans?

[SportsFan]

Can anyone help me with this con law PT I'm doing? Basically the hypo is that a town that is mostly white but has an African-American minority population is building a 2nd high school in a corner of the town where most of the african-americans live (the original high school is in the other corner of the town). The town decides to split the township in half, and send half to the new high school and half to the other. People are suing because they want the town to adopt plan 1, which basically sent people to whichever school was physically closest to them. I'm thinking the issues are affirmative action, intentional discrimination, and maybe substantive rights (Meyer and Pierce), but I'm a bit confused because Plan 2 (which was adopted) was liked by half the african americans and most whites, and Plan 1 (which was rejected) was liked by most african americans and most whites. Basically, it doesn't seem like any of the issues which seem immediately obvious are even viable here, and I have no idea how to even fill up the 1200 word limit other than with "they have no claims because the township picked a plan which doesn't discriminate". I can PM the hypo to anyone, if they wanna check it out and help me.

Or maybe I'm supposed to just analyze the entire hypo under the Parents Involved standard? Still, I feel like I have ~400 words at the most.

I would discuss the remedies available if they were still under a judicial mandate to fix past unconstitutional segregation (more likely able to assign students based on race) versus if they never had that mandate or did but were ruled to have fixed the problem (need to exhaust race-neutral alternatives.)

So just to clarify the hypo a bit, plan 1 (which wasn't adopted) puts almost all the african-american people in the new high school, while plan 2 split them in half between the two high schools. There was no past discrimination, since before everyone went to the same high school. Basically, it seems like the problem is everyone wants to go to the new high school because its new and nice. The hypo is that I'm the plaintiffs attorney writing a memo. So basically I was saying that this probably wasn't affirmative action, but possibly could be.

I guess my big problem is that there was no past discrimination, and this plan doesn't seem to have anything to do with that, but I'm trying to force this into being an affirmative action thing.

[Birdnals]

Just say this fails Baker v. Carr, it's a political question, and therefore you shouldn't even address the rest.

This is my plan for every single question.

[dannynoonan87]

Am I crazy for just rereading the homicide section of my outline and Dressler's supplement before I start studying anything else for crim?

[SportsFan]

Am I crazy for just rereading the homicide section of my outline and Dressler's supplement before I start studying anything else for crim?

As long as you remember the really basic stuff about MR and whatever, no, I don't think so.

[chiguy99]

Since Prop is policy heavy & crts deciding whatever ... what you think of citing cases on exam that were not covered in class nor in the book (which my prof wrote) but could be used for an argument? test is open book. Think that will rub the prof the wrong way? impress? or nothing at all

[Robert Paulson]

Since Prop is policy heavy & crts deciding whatever ... what you think of citing cases on exam that were not covered in class nor in the book (which my prof wrote) but could be used for an argument? test is open book. Think that will rub the prof the wrong way? impress? or nothing at all

I would think this would be somewhat of a time sink, since your prof wrote the questions with the material covered in class in mind. I wouldn't think it would rub the prof the wrong way if you did include the cases, but he is also probably not likely to give points since it would be pretty unfair to other students.

[chiguy99]

Nice input, just have an outline from a dif school and I see a few cases on here that help explain things for me that we didnt cover. So just thought if that situation popped on the test, do I dare cite random cases? thanks

[SportsFan]

Nice input, just have an outline from a dif school and I see a few cases on here that help explain things for me that we didnt cover. So just thought if that situation popped on the test, do I dare cite random cases? thanks

IMO it can't hurt to include them if you remember them on the exam and they're really relevant, but I wouldn't stress over memorizing them and making sure that you know them.

[chiguy99]

Nice input, just have an outline from a dif school and I see a few cases on here that help explain things for me that we didnt cover. So just thought if that situation popped on the test, do I dare cite random cases? thanks

IMO it can't hurt to include them if you remember them on the exam and they're really relevant, but I wouldn't stress over memorizing them and making sure that you know them.

open everything.... no wasted memory here

[chiguy99]

Nice input, just have an outline from a dif school and I see a few cases on here that help explain things for me that we didnt cover. So just thought if that situation popped on the test, do I dare cite random cases? thanks

IMO it can't hurt to include them if you remember them on the exam and they're really relevant, but I wouldn't stress over memorizing them and making sure that you know them.

open everything.... no wasted memory here

what I am stressing over is a nice attack sheet

[ColoBoul]

I don't think it would be useful to apply additional cases. My reasoning is, if your professor didn't included it in his book and didn't teach it to you in class why would he want you to apply it on an exam? I think it would just waste time, just my two cents.