Are any of you unhappy? Forum

Pretzel_Logic · Post by **Pretzel_Logic** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:21 pm

JCougar wrote:
bk187 wrote:
JCougar wrote:because most legal scholarship is utterly BS. But it doesn't have to be, and if you're on a law journal editorial board, you can at least attempt to change that.
You can, but then your journal wouldn't have anything to publish.
LOL. I think there is some good stuff out there. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. It hurts wading through all the pure garbage and plagiarism that gets submitted, though.

I'm glad you enjoy the search. All I have to do now is source and cites and every time, even if it's written by someone I like, I just feel like...I can't even with this. When I wrote my own note, I felt like, I can't even with this. So I'm not much of a legal academician.

071816 · Post by **071816** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:22 pm

Pretzel_Logic wrote:
JCougar wrote:
bk187 wrote:
JCougar wrote:because most legal scholarship is utterly BS. But it doesn't have to be, and if you're on a law journal editorial board, you can at least attempt to change that.
You can, but then your journal wouldn't have anything to publish.
LOL. I think there is some good stuff out there. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. It hurts wading through all the pure garbage and plagiarism that gets submitted, though.
I'm glad you enjoy the search. All I have to do now is source and cites and every time, even if it's written by someone I like, I just feel like...I can't even with this. When I wrote my own note, I felt like, I can't even with this. So I'm not much of a legal academician.

*academic

FattyMcFatFat · Post by **FattyMcFatFat** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:27 pm

Re: Are any of you unhappy?

Poor me.

Life sux.

Lawl skool is sooo hard.

. . . Fuck my generation.

Pretzel_Logic · Post by **Pretzel_Logic** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:29 pm

chimp wrote: *academic

I lol'd. I'm a tard.

nygrrrl · Post by **nygrrrl** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:33 pm

SuperCerealBrah wrote:
I really want to know, what in the world some students really expected law school to be like? I mean you are studying law. And what exactly qualifies as "intellectual"?

Law school is exactly what I expected it to be: a trade school. Which is fine by me; I have no problems grinding for 3 (4) years. But yes, I was very clear on that, going in and I agree with you SuperCereal - I'm not sure what people expected. It's a good question!
(Thinks about starting a new thread to address it, so as not to hijack OP....)

JCFindley · Post by **JCFindley** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:38 pm

nygrrrl wrote:
SuperCerealBrah wrote:
I really want to know, what in the world some students really expected law school to be like? I mean you are studying law. And what exactly qualifies as "intellectual"?
Law school is exactly what I expected it to be: a trade school. Which is fine by me; I have no problems grinding for 3 (4) years. But yes, I was very clear on that, going in and I agree with you SuperCereal - I'm not sure what people expected. It's a good question!
(Thinks about starting a new thread to address it, so as not to hijack OP....)

I thought it was a way to get a piece of paper that said I could take the BAR.

worldtraveler · Post by **worldtraveler** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:56 am

I'm in my 4th year (joint degree), and still like it although I have gotten lazier. I also don't do stuff I don't want to do, like journals and classes with heavy work loads.

skers · Post by **skers** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:23 am

Law school isn't that bad at all. People make it worse by being neurotic as hell about everything.

Scotusnerd · Post by **Scotusnerd** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:31 am

TemporarySaint wrote:Law school isn't that bad at all. People make it worse by being neurotic as hell about everything.

Yup.

IAFG · Post by **IAFG** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:33 am

In a life full of bad choices, law school was one of my better ones. Like NYG, I knew it was trade school and was prepared for that. It got me a job. I met some people I love to death (and more that I can't stand, but what would life be without some gunners to mock?) The coursework after 1L is hardly strenuous. It's been a pleasant way to spend my mid-20s.

northwood · Post by **northwood** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:36 am

worldtraveler wrote:I'm in my 4th year (joint degree), and still like it although I have gotten lazier. I also don't do stuff I don't want to do, like journals and classes with heavy work loads.

"no journal no worries"

simple classes- better time

nygrrrl · Post by **nygrrrl** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:39 am

IAFG wrote:In a life full of bad choices, law school was one of my better ones. Like NYG, I knew it was trade school and was prepared for that. It got me a job. I met some people I love to death (and more that I can't stand, but what would life be without some gunners to mock?) The coursework after 1L is hardly strenuous. It's been a pleasant way to spend my mid-20s.

Love this.

prezidentv8 · Post by **prezidentv8** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:56 pm

FTFMe wrote:In a life full of good choices, law school was one of my worst ones. It didn't get me a job. I met some people. The debt is very stressful. It's been an incredibly wasteful use of my mid-20s.

ooooopsie

Flash · Post by **Flash** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:41 pm

prezidentv8 wrote:
FTFMe wrote:In a life full of good choices, law school was one of my worst ones. It didn't get me a job. I met some people. The debt is very stressful. It's been an incredibly wasteful use of my mid-20s.
ooooopsie

What are you up to these days?

dresden doll · Post by **dresden doll** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:43 pm

I'm unexpectedly happy because legal work/first job is turning out to be so much fucking better than anything I ever had to do in lawl school.

prezidentv8 · Post by **prezidentv8** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:43 pm

Chillin man. Workin a ton tryin to pay dat debt as fast as I can. Making smartass answers on TLS. Same old.

glitched · Post by **glitched** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:59 pm

wdup. so i ended up getting a firm that is pretty much an ideal fit. and i still think that med school might be right. wtf is wrong with me? i think it really scares me that i'm not as good at law (didn't get the best 1L grades) as I was in science (great grades at a pretty competitive school with just as strict a curve). yes and that's what makes me depressed - that i had this other option where i could have been better in my respective field. i definitely enjoyed science more but that might be because i was just better at it and therefore did well, making me enjoying it more (science is all about cycles). i believe a certain happiness comes from doing something you are good at and feeling useful - that's the basic concept of "flow," which is supposedly the key to being happy. i think i'm worried that i will not be able to make a good lawyer while i have the belief that i will make a good doctor. so ultimately it feels like i'm not doing what i was supposed to do. who knows? almost certainly i'm going to stay in school and take this summer job to see how good i am at it. i'm pretty sure if i'm good/great at it, it'll make me happy. thoughts?

Also medical school has the reward of being paid to help actual individuals who need healing so it just feels like it would be a much more fulfilling career. that's probably very glamorized in my head though.

To the people that say that people should just stop complaining and suck it up: why? if you have the option to do something about your life to make it better, why not take it? if you truly have no options, then yes - absolutely suck it up and learn how to become content, or happy, with what you have bc I guarantee you are still in a great place and you can't do anything about it anyway. But I'm under the firm belief that if there is something else that you believe will make you happy, and it's actually possible to do, the only reason you're not doing it is because you do not have the courage to try for what you want.

northwood · Post by **northwood** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:32 pm

can you take the medical school admission test and go there? I know its a lot of money, but if you are really unhappy- and you have the grades and test score, why not give it a try?

nygrrrl · Post by **nygrrrl** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:03 pm

glitched wrote: To the people that say that people should just stop complaining and suck it up: why? if you have the option to do something about your life to make it better, why not take it? if you truly have no options, then yes - absolutely suck it up and learn how to become content, or happy, with what you have bc I guarantee you are still in a great place and you can't do anything about it anyway. But I'm under the firm belief that if there is something else that you believe will make you happy, and it's actually possible to do, the only reason you're not doing it is because you do not have the courage to try for what you want.

I think you just answered your own question.
I'm with Northwood on this one: what's stopping you?

glitched · Post by **glitched** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:11 pm

nygrrrl wrote:
glitched wrote: To the people that say that people should just stop complaining and suck it up: why? if you have the option to do something about your life to make it better, why not take it? if you truly have no options, then yes - absolutely suck it up and learn how to become content, or happy, with what you have bc I guarantee you are still in a great place and you can't do anything about it anyway. But I'm under the firm belief that if there is something else that you believe will make you happy, and it's actually possible to do, the only reason you're not doing it is because you do not have the courage to try for what you want.
I think you just answered your own question.
I'm with Northwood on this one: what's stopping you?

haha three things:
(1) i might be good at law practice though i'm not good at law school - does anyone have any insight on this?
(2) still don't know if medical school will actually make me happy so i'm trying to find shadowing opportunities asap
(3) i am trying to muster up the courage to actually jump ship

JCougar · Post by **JCougar** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:23 pm

glitched wrote:haha three things:
(1) i might be good at law practice though i'm not good at law school - does anyone have any insight on this?

Law school grades don't have anything to do with how well you will actually do in the practice of law.

If you really think you can get into a decent medical school, though, I think you should give it a shot. Every doctor I know seems to be far happier than most lawyers I have met. Much better job security, at least.

thelawyler · Post by **thelawyler** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:25 pm

JCougar wrote:
glitched wrote:haha three things:
(1) i might be good at law practice though i'm not good at law school - does anyone have any insight on this?
Law school grades don't have anything to do with how well you will actually do in the practice of law.

If you really think you can get into a decent medical school, though, I think you should give it a shot. Every doctor I know seems to be far happier than most lawyers I have met. Much better job security, at least.

Yeah, but most doctors wouldn't want to double their debtload either tho.

FlanAl · Post by **FlanAl** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:00 pm

nygrrrl wrote:
SuperCerealBrah wrote:
I really want to know, what in the world some students really expected law school to be like? I mean you are studying law. And what exactly qualifies as "intellectual"?
Law school is exactly what I expected it to be: a trade school. Which is fine by me; I have no problems grinding for 3 (4) years. But yes, I was very clear on that, going in and I agree with you SuperCereal - I'm not sure what people expected. It's a good question!
(Thinks about starting a new thread to address it, so as not to hijack OP....)

All the lockers, heavy books, backpacks, insecurity and teachers asking you if you did your homework so they can try to humiliate you in front of your peers seems a whole lot more like high school than trade school to me. Also aren't trade schools supposed to teach you how to practice your trade?

nygrrrl · Post by **nygrrrl** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:41 pm

FlanAl wrote:
All the lockers, heavy books, backpacks, insecurity and teachers asking you if you did your homework so they can try to humiliate you in front of your peers seems a whole lot more like high school than trade school to me. Also aren't trade schools supposed to teach you how to practice your trade?

Welp, I don't use my locker, my high school books weren't nearly that heavy, I'm not insecure like I was in high school and with very few exceptions, my teachers expect me to have done my homework so that I can contribute to class discussions, not so that they can humiliate me... so no, law school isn't much like High School, for me.
As for a trade school teaching you how to practice your trade? I thought that was what the apprenticeship (i.e., SA/1st year Associateship) was for - the trade school just gets you the paper that allows you to get the gig that teaches you how to do the job. (IMHO.)

EDIT: That was flippant. My experience is probably completely different from that of most because I've been out of college for 15 years. I have an entirely different relationship to all of it (profs, books, lockers, etc) than most. From MY perspective, it's a trade school - but that probably has more to do with how I'm using it than it does, with how most perceive/experience it. Make sense?

bk1 · Post by **bk1** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:00 pm

I see law school as a trade school in the sense that it's a means to an end (employment as a lawyer). Nothing more, nothing less.

I think law school sucks (it's boring and repetitive), but it doesn't make me unhappy. I can understand being unhappy about employment situations, but if law school makes you unhappy then I think you're doing it wrong. Then again I'm a cynic who doesn't understand why people try to find happiness in a job.