Legal writing, ethical rules?????
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:38 pm
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Have you worked in the real world? No associate or partner in a law firm, or any other co-worker, is going to waste time proofreading your work to check for missing periods. When you are given an assignment in the real world, you are expected to find the answer AND write correctly without typographic errors. When attorneys are busy billing $300+/hour, no one has time to proofread for you.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:I would HATE to lose a few points for forgetting a period of something like that. This is just so different from the REAL world where you can collaborate and work together.....
+1shock259 wrote:My school is the same as the OP's: no contact with anyone. The only exception is the teacher and the TA's, who presumably won't proofread it for you any way.
You can send important memos down to word processing for a quick proofread. That's what they're there for.dougroberts wrote:Have you worked in the real world? No associate or partner in a law firm, or any other co-worker, is going to waste time proofreading your work to check for missing periods. When you are given an assignment in the real world, you are expected to find the answer AND write correctly without typographic errors. When attorneys are busy billing $300+/hour, no one has time to proofread for you.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:I would HATE to lose a few points for forgetting a period of something like that. This is just so different from the REAL world where you can collaborate and work together.....
You need to develop the skill of proofreading alone while in school.
Because your LRW is graded.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:I just started legal writing. I am a 1L. This is what are policy says:
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Is it just me or this this different from every other class I have taken up until this point? I don't want to plagiarize or cheat or write something that is not my own. Yet, I thought it was okay to have someone read your paper (or part of it), and tell you if you forgot something or spelled something wrong? Or gave you general suggestions? As an engineering undergrad, I did all of my own work. Then after I finished, I would ask other students how their answer compared to mine or why my approach was better/slash worse than theirs. I never copied, I just asked or wrote on a whiteboard how I came to my solution. I even ask Professors for help, and the wrote stuff down for me. WHY IS THIS NOT OKAY?
+1... Get the hell out of here.... Posts like this garbage the message board and should be sanctioned. Same as with those morons who post smiley faces.chimp wrote:+1shock259 wrote:My school is the same as the OP's: no contact with anyone. The only exception is the teacher and the TA's, who presumably won't proofread it for you any way.
This. The prof wants to know what you're capable of. Not someone else editing it after you.r6_philly wrote:Some of our assignment will explicitly allow us to work in groups. Otherwise/by default every part of the work must be our own.
Heartford wrote:This thread is hilarious.
I have to do my own work???? BUT WAI?????
Sorry, you don't decide who should GTFO. We do.Tar Baby wrote:Get the hell out of here.... Posts like this garbage the message board and should be sanctioned. Same as with those morons who post smiley faces.
Provide substance or do not post.
chimp wrote:+1shock259 wrote:My school is the same as the OP's: no contact with anyone. The only exception is the teacher and the TA's, who presumably won't proofread it for you any way.
It probably was okay in other classes. Law school isn't exactly like undergrad or other programs. If you did your research before enrolling, I'm pretty sure you stumbled across this fact by now.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:Is it just me or this this different from every other class I have taken up until this point? I don't want to plagiarize or cheat or write something that is not my own. Yet, I thought it was okay to have someone read your paper (or part of it), and tell you if you forgot something or spelled something wrong? Or gave you general suggestions?
That's great. But as an engineer, your writing ability probably wasn't the focus of the class. You were writing about engineering, I imagine, and the prof cared about your engineering knowledge more than that technical correctness of your writing style. Besides that, it was an undergrad class, so they weren't being so strict about it. Graduate programs are known to be harder than undergrad programs. If you're expecting law school to be like undergrad, you've made a mistake.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:As an engineering undergrad, I did all of my own work. Then after I finished, I would ask other students how their answer compared to mine or why my approach was better/slash worse than theirs. I never copied, I just asked or wrote on a whiteboard how I came to my solution. I even ask Professors for help, and the wrote stuff down for me.
Because they said so. Welcome to the rule of law.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:WHY IS THIS NOT OKAY?
Actually, in the real world, you alone are going to type lots of emails to your boss describing the results of a conference call or some legal research; and if you make a typo or miss a period it will make you--and only you--look bad. You really aren't going to pass that email around the office so that your coworkers can make sure you don't look careless. That's what they are trying to get you to practice--being very careful with your proofreading so that you don't "miss points," either in school or real life.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:
Can I let someone NOT in my class proofread? I would HATE to lose a few points for forgetting a period of something like that. This is just so different from the REAL world where you can collaborate and work together.....
Not everyone will be working somewhere where they can just "send important memos down to word processing for a quick proofread". Many people will find themselves wholly responsible for the end product.rayiner wrote:
You can send important memos down to word processing for a quick proofread. That's what they're there for.
This. OP is basically asking how to get around learning what he's being taught.Renzo wrote:Actually, in the real world, you alone are going to type lots of emails to your boss describing the results of a conference call or some legal research; and if you make a typo or miss a period it will make you--and only you--look bad. You really aren't going to pass that email around the office so that your coworkers can make sure you don't look careless. That's what they are trying to get you to practice--being very careful with your proofreading so that you don't "miss points," either in school or real life.
Paralegals will check Blue Book citations and pincites. Word Processing will check for typos. Some people even have their administrative assistant check for small errors.dougroberts wrote:Have you worked in the real world? No associate or partner in a law firm, or any other co-worker, is going to waste time proofreading your work to check for missing periods. When you are given an assignment in the real world, you are expected to find the answer AND write correctly without typographic errors. When attorneys are busy billing $300+/hour, no one has time to proofread for you.lawschoolisfun2012 wrote:I would HATE to lose a few points for forgetting a period of something like that. This is just so different from the REAL world where you can collaborate and work together.....
You need to develop the skill of proofreading alone while in school.