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thesealocust wrote:I have never seen it or heard of it at my school or any other.

Bronte wrote:

thesealocust wrote:I have never seen it or heard of it at my school or any other.

merc280 wrote:The interviewer for Vanderbilt admissions told me she knew of some people at UT who got their outlines stolen-tore up close to finals.

flcath wrote:

merc280 wrote:The interviewer for Vanderbilt admissions told me she knew of some people at UT who got their outlines stolen-tore up close to finals.

Ah, but who in this story is the real saboteur?!

quixotical wrote:

flcath wrote:

merc280 wrote:The interviewer for Vanderbilt admissions told me she knew of some people at UT who got their outlines stolen-tore up close to finals.

Ah, but who in this story is the real saboteur?!

bceagles182 wrote:That's a bit overboard but I don't see anything wrong with it. People shouldn't get credit for going to class if they aren't in class. That is cheating.

BriaTharen wrote:

bceagles182 wrote:That's a bit overboard but I don't see anything wrong with it. People shouldn't get credit for going to class if they aren't in class. That is cheating.

Yeah, I have to agree. When your LS has a policy that if you miss X number of classes you get an automatic fail, getting someone to sign in for you when you aren't there is cheating.

mintypineapple wrote:Heard from a friend who goes to LS down south that the 2 biggest gunners in the section took their own form of attendance after noticing multiple people missing from class one day. They saw people's names signed in on the attendance sheet and saw they were not in class. These gunners wrote down every person who was not in class but had their names signed and went to the professor with the list. 10 people got screwed over and had academic violations written up against them, plus a half or whole letter grade lowered. Apparently these gunners got along with everyone in the section before this; NO ONE talked to them after that for the rest of the year.

dailygrind wrote:

BriaTharen wrote:

bceagles182 wrote:That's a bit overboard but I don't see anything wrong with it. People shouldn't get credit for going to class if they aren't in class. That is cheating.

Yeah, I have to agree. When your LS has a policy that if you miss X number of classes you get an automatic fail, getting someone to sign in for you when you aren't there is cheating.

It is, but the policy is stupid in the first place. We're all adults here and should be able to decide where to invest our time; plus it's hard to believe that the nonattendance of some students actually harmed the gunners. I can definitely see why they'd be turned into pariahs, and I would've supported their being ostracized.

BriaTharen wrote:

dailygrind wrote:

BriaTharen wrote:

bceagles182 wrote:That's a bit overboard but I don't see anything wrong with it. People shouldn't get credit for going to class if they aren't in class. That is cheating.

Yeah, I have to agree. When your LS has a policy that if you miss X number of classes you get an automatic fail, getting someone to sign in for you when you aren't there is cheating.

It is, but the policy is stupid in the first place. We're all adults here and should be able to decide where to invest our time; plus it's hard to believe that the nonattendance of some students actually harmed the gunners. I can definitely see why they'd be turned into pariahs, and I would've supported their being ostracized.

Oh, I agree. The policy is ridiculous. And I can definitely say I wouldn't have done what the gunners did. Mostly because I sign the attendance sheet and pass it on; I don't sit there examining it. But despite how ridiculous and over the top their actions, it's hard to say they aren't to some degree justified. It is cheating.

Most of the people who miss to the degree they would be worried about failing are not very high in the class. But there is one guy who used up almost every single one of his absences in all the classes, and he's in the top 15%. You can just never tell honestly, but for the most part, if there was no attendance policy, it is natural selection.

bceagles182 wrote:You should generally have faith in your ability to beat out people who never show up to class on the curve, so I agree that it doesn't make sense to turn them in. At the same time, most schools have honor codes that require students to report all honor code violations that they are aware of. I wouldn't do it because I don't really believe in snitching, but I can't really blame them for doing so. It probably harmed the snitches in the long run, but with that said, I've had classes where attendance was a complete waste of time because the professor tested material that she did not cover in class, and the best grades came from those who relied heavily on hornbooks. In that type of class, fraudulently having others mark your name on the attendance sheet would absolutely have been an unfair advantage (you wouldn't have to keep up with the readings to avoid looking like an idiot when cold-called), and it would be unjust to allow people to do so.

Mandatory attendance is a dumb policy, but the ABA has recently placed increased emphasis on attendance, so you can't really blame the school.

BriaTharen wrote:

bceagles182 wrote:You should generally have faith in your ability to beat out people who never show up to class on the curve, so I agree that it doesn't make sense to turn them in. At the same time, most schools have honor codes that require students to report all honor code violations that they are aware of. I wouldn't do it because I don't really believe in snitching, but I can't really blame them for doing so. It probably harmed the snitches in the long run, but with that said, I've had classes where attendance was a complete waste of time because the professor tested material that she did not cover in class, and the best grades came from those who relied heavily on hornbooks. In that type of class, fraudulently having others mark your name on the attendance sheet would absolutely have been an unfair advantage (you wouldn't have to keep up with the readings to avoid looking like an idiot when cold-called), and it would be unjust to allow people to do so.

Mandatory attendance is a dumb policy, but the ABA has recently placed increased emphasis on attendance, so you can't really blame the school.

This is the exact situation I'm talking about. There is one professor who is notorious for saying almost nothing of value in class; the people who do well are the ones who study the treatise he wrote, and very little else. His classes are usually also at 7:30 or 8am.

bceagles182 wrote:This discussion reminds me of:

"Out of order, I'll show you out of order. You don't know what out of order is, Mr. Trask. I'd show you, but I'm too old, I'm too tired, I'm too fkin' blind. If I were the man I was five years ago, I'd take a FLAMETHROWER to this place! Out of order? Who the hell do you think you're talkin' to? I've been around, you know? There was a time I could see. And I have seen. Boys like these, younger than these, their arms torn out, their legs ripped off. But there isn't nothin' like the sight of an amputated spirit. There is no prosthetic for that. You think you're merely sending this splendid foot soldier back home to Oregon with his tail between his legs, but I say you are... executin' his soul! And why? Because he's not a Bairdman. Bairdmen. You hurt this boy, you're gonna be Baird bums, the lot of ya. And Harry, Jimmy, Trent, wherever you are out there, F YOU TOO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH4p9BQ3V9o